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Grendel

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,841
chiefdave said:
Couple of our clients at work employ hundreds of minimum wage, zero hours contract staff. They're all required to have smart phones to access work related things and the company will not provide them. Stuff like apps that show work rotas, authentication apps for logging on to work systems etc.

Should really be supplied by the business if it’s a requirement but the reality is if you haven't got a phone you aren't getting the job.
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There is no legislation that enforces companies to provide phones and only cover expenses if data usage is excessive
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,842
Grendel said:
There is no legislation that enforces companies to provide phones and only cover expenses if data usage is excessive
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But if you're making it so you have to have that sort of phone in order to be able to do the job then that's a barrier to work, especially for zero hours min. wage jobs.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,843
chiefdave said:
Couple of our clients at work employ hundreds of minimum wage, zero hours contract staff. They're all required to have smart phones to access work related things and the company will not provide them. Stuff like apps that show work rotas, authentication apps for logging on to work systems etc.

Should really be supplied by the business if its a requirement but the reality is if you haven't got a phone you aren't getting the job.
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We give our guys 25 quid a month towards their phone. Probably doesn't cover their full bill but it's something at least, as they need their phones for work purposes.
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,844
PVA said:
We give our guys 25 quid a month towards their phone. Probably doesn't cover their full bill but it's something at least, as they need their phones for work purposes.
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25 a month will get you a serviceable hand set and a SIM tbh.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,845
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
But if you're making it so you have to have that sort of phone in order to be able to do the job then that's a barrier to work, especially for zero hours min. wage jobs.
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As long as the condition has been pointed out the employee has agreed the terms
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #49,846
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #49,847
chiefdave said:
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Starmer trying some diversion?
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #49,848
Is Tonty Blair behind this?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #49,849
Not sure how this has gone under the radar, but it is deeply concerning.

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #49,850
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Not sure how this has gone under the radar, but it is deeply concerning.

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Ethnicity and background
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #49,851
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I am no fan of Starmer, but not having enough physical space in prisons months after taking office was not his doing. My own preference would be reduced sentences or fines for non violent offenders and longer sentences for violent criminals.
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I heard Starmer said he’d rather this guy than one of those Just Stop Oil scammers.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #49,852
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Not sure how this has gone under the radar, but it is deeply concerning.

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I knew about it weeks ago.

Apart from anything else it is yet another cost to be paid from taxes.

 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #49,853
If you're blood pressure is too low today and you want to wind yourself up about the state of the country watch the Stacey Dooley show about shoplifting

2000 attacks on store workers a day, over £2bn shoplifted a year, police uninterested, government changed the law 10 years ago to make shoplifting a minor offence. But then you get to the people who are shoplifting and the excuses they come out with. Let's just say we're a long way from any idea of people stealing food because they can't afford to eat.
 
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PVA

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  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #49,854
chiefdave said:
If you're blood pressure is too low today and you want to wind yourself up about the state of the country watch the Stacey Dooley show about shoplifting

2000 attacks on store workers a day, over £2bn shoplifted a year, police uninterested, government changed the law 10 years ago to make shoplifting a minor offence. But then you get to the people who are shoplifting and the excuses they come out with. Let's just say we're a long way from any idea of people stealing food because they can't afford to eat.
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I was in the Co-op the other day when two school girls got caught shoplifting. Think it was just a few chocolate bars.

The only punishment was being barred from the shop.
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #49,855
PVA said:
I was in the Co-op the other day when two school girls got caught shoplifting. Think it was just a few chocolate bars.

The only punishment was being barred from the shop.
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Think teen shoplifting is a thrill thing, then you’ve got a lot of what seem to be adult addicts doing it for cash and to order, and some organised stuff. Makes sense to treat them differently tbh.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #49,856
shmmeee said:
Think teen shoplifting is a thrill thing, then you’ve got a lot of what seem to be adult addicts doing it for cash and to order, and some organised stuff. Makes sense to treat them differently tbh.
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the kids are on a different level these days. they weren't pinching something small for the thrill. they were emptying shelves and abusing or attacking staff when they tried to stop them.

then there was people who almost seemed addicted to shoplifting itself. people who had lost their jobs and didn't see why they should no longer have the same 'treats' they had when they were working.

there was also a bizarre group of people who seem to think they're on some sort of moral crusade against big business alongside people that think only paying for part of what you take is fine as shops have self service tills.

only one person on there was someone where you think to yourself I get why you're doing this. girl who had come out of an abusive relationship, was in emergency accommodation and was shoplifting stuff for her kid.

the astonishing thing was that half of people surveyed in there 20s didn't think there was anything wrong with shoplifting. Think we maybe fall into a trap of thinking things are the same as when we were young but that's def not the case here.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Mar 29, 2025
  • #49,857
Absolutely tone deaf people

Amanda Spielman: Ofsted boss at time of Ruth Perry's death to get peerage
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #49,858
I am not saying I agree with the people at this meeting, but this is rather heavy handed by the Police.
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #49,859
chiefdave said:
the kids are on a different level these days. they weren't pinching something small for the thrill. they were emptying shelves and abusing or attacking staff when they tried to stop them.

then there was people who almost seemed addicted to shoplifting itself. people who had lost their jobs and didn't see why they should no longer have the same 'treats' they had when they were working.

there was also a bizarre group of people who seem to think they're on some sort of moral crusade against big business alongside people that think only paying for part of what you take is fine as shops have self service tills.

only one person on there was someone where you think to yourself I get why you're doing this. girl who had come out of an abusive relationship, was in emergency accommodation and was shoplifting stuff for her kid.

the astonishing thing was that half of people surveyed in there 20s didn't think there was anything wrong with shoplifting. Think we maybe fall into a trap of thinking things are the same as when we were young but that's def not the case here.
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Yeah I know someone who is outrageously rich - apartments in Dubai and Singapore - and their daughter constantly pinches things from shops as it gives I assume an adrenaline rush
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #49,860
Captain Dart said:
I am not saying I agree with the people at this meeting, but this is rather heavy handed by the Police.
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wtf is going on in the world. this is like something out of a comedy sketch. the thought police smashing the door down to be greeted by a group of women sat on the floor eating hummus before arresting them for something they haven't done yet.

Then to top it off giving a statement saying "we absolutely recognise the importance of the right to protest".
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #49,861
Speaking of tone deaf cunts

Justin Welby: Former Archbishop of Canterbury forgives serial abuser John Smyth
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #49,862
Captain Dart said:
I am not saying I agree with the people at this meeting, but this is rather heavy handed by the Police.
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Here is another one in the news yesterday. Honestly, the UK is a complete joke.

Shoplifting? Attacking someone? Theft? No...

Parents arrested by Hertfordshire police for complaining about daughter’s school

Maxie Allen and Rosalind Levine say six officers came to their house after primary objected to WhatsApp comments
www.theguardian.com
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #49,863
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Not sure how this has gone under the radar, but it is deeply concerning.

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In fairness, the government is planning to legislate against this.

The sentencing council is another quango that needs to be heaped onto the pyre. It’s genuinely concerning that an unelected quango had the temerity to ignore a sitting PMs demand.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #49,864
Mucca Mad Boys said:
In fairness, the government is planning to legislate against this.

The sentencing council is another quango that needs to be heaped onto the pyre. It’s genuinely concerning that an unelected quango had the temerity to ignore a sitting PMs demand.
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MPs are forever saying they will reduce quangos but they don't, are we living in a Quangrocracy?
 

shmmeee

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #49,865
Your letter was only the start of it.

One letter and now you’re a part of it.

Now you’ve done it



For you, and you and you
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #49,866
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Not sure how this has gone under the radar, but it is deeply concerning.
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Captain Dart said:
I knew about it weeks ago.

Apart from anything else it is yet another cost to be paid from taxes.
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Some good news for you
The government will introduce legislation to Parliament this week to override independent guidance on how offenders from ethnic minorities should be sentenced.

It comes after the Sentencing Council refused a request from Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood to reconsider its new instructions for judges.
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 30, 2025
  • #49,867
shmmeee said:
Your letter was only the start of it.

One letter and now you’re a part of it.

Now you’ve done it

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For you, and you and you
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is that genuine?

Did no-one at all think of the connotations of that phrase?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #49,868
Not much good economic news around these days but this could really help provide a boost. Hope the government jumps on the opportunity and tries to make this an attractive option for companies with their industrial strategy later this year

UK companies set to spend $650bn bringing their factories home

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The latest breaking UK, US, world, business and sport news from The Times and The Sunday Times. Go beyond today's headlines with in-depth analysis and comment.
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Grendel

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  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #49,869
In the dog house

Minister attacks expenses rules after Labour MP’s claim for ‘pet rent’

Watchdog accepted Taiwo Owatemi’s claim for landlord’s surcharge to let her keep dog in London flat
www.theguardian.com
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #49,870
Grendel said:
In the dog house

Minister attacks expenses rules after Labour MP’s claim for ‘pet rent’

Watchdog accepted Taiwo Owatemi’s claim for landlord’s surcharge to let her keep dog in London flat
www.theguardian.com
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Zarah Sultana MP for South Coventry campaigned against a 3rd runway at Heathrow due to her concerns about climate change is now supporting a campaign to build an airport in Pakistan.

Labour civil war brews as MP slams Starmer over 'reckless' Heathrow expansion

Zarah Sultana, Labour MP for Coventry South, opposes the Heathrow Airport expansion plans and claims the Prime Minister has U-turned on his initial stance.
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Another example of blatant hypocrisy from the political classes.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #49,871
Captain Dart said:
Zarah Sultana MP for South Coventry campaigned against a 3rd runway at Heathrow due to her concerns about climate change is now supporting a campaign to build an airport in Pakistan.

Labour civil war brews as MP slams Starmer over 'reckless' Heathrow expansion

Zarah Sultana, Labour MP for Coventry South, opposes the Heathrow Airport expansion plans and claims the Prime Minister has U-turned on his initial stance.
www.express.co.uk


Another example of blatant hypocrisy from the political classes.
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Why are UK parliamentarians campaigning for airports in another country? It’s utterly ridiculous.
 
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SkyBlueMatt

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  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #49,872
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #49,873
Captain Dart said:
Zarah Sultana MP for South Coventry campaigned against a 3rd runway at Heathrow due to her concerns about climate change is now supporting a campaign to build an airport in Pakistan.

Labour civil war brews as MP slams Starmer over 'reckless' Heathrow expansion

Zarah Sultana, Labour MP for Coventry South, opposes the Heathrow Airport expansion plans and claims the Prime Minister has U-turned on his initial stance.
www.express.co.uk


Another example of blatant hypocrisy from the political classes.
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Hypocrisy is what she does, an utter bellend. Remember when she was too scared to go to parliament because people weren't wearing masks but then was all over those awards at the Ricoh (was it mobos or something?) where people didn't have them on.
 
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Grendel

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  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #49,874
Nick said:
Hypocrisy is what she does, an utter bellend. Remember when she was too scared to go to parliament because people weren't wearing masks but then was all over those awards at the Ricoh (was it mobos or something?) where people didn't have them on.
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Brave Zarah Sultana Conquers Fear of Maskless Crowds

Guido's glad to see Zarah Sultana has quickly recovered from her crippling phobia of maskless crowds. Last night, the Labour MP attended the glitzy MOBO
order-order.com
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Mar 31, 2025
  • #49,875
Grendel said:

Brave Zarah Sultana Conquers Fear of Maskless Crowds

Guido's glad to see Zarah Sultana has quickly recovered from her crippling phobia of maskless crowds. Last night, the Labour MP attended the glitzy MOBO
order-order.com
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What's the actual point of her?
 
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