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wingy

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,806
MalcSB said:
Lidl baked beans are ok and a lot cheaper than Heinz.
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Find the Asda version, absolutely fine but the space on the shelves is tiny compared to the Heinz stuff, same with porridge etc since the change of ownership and possibly since the change from fine fayre who I think Asda derived from but not certain, they certainly don't seem like the shoppers friend.
 
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wingy

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,807
British steel being extorted again from the Chinese group owners, which surprised me, I still thought it was Indian owned!
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,808
More depressing news today. Child poverty figures up to a record high of 4.45 million, DWP also predicting yesterdays changes will push a further 50,000 children into poverty.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,809
MalcSB said:
How does a tin of baked beans costing £1.40 benefit someone with physical assets?
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It's rich people who tend to benefit, not people shopping at Aldi for low cost beans.
 

MalcSB

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,810
wingy said:
Find the Asda version, absolutely fine but the space on the shelves is tiny compared to the Heinz stuff, same with porridge etc since the change of ownership and possibly since the change from fine fayre who I think Asda derived from but not certain, they certainly don't seem like the shoppers friend.
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I think fine fare were taken over in the 1980’s and a lot of their shops rebranded as Gateway who were then taken over by Asda.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,811
Captain Dart said:
It's rich people who tend to benefit, not people shopping at Aldi for low cost beans.
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Thank goodness for AI

So lots of paper benefits then, not all tangible ones. Hardly makes inflation effectively a tax.

Inflation will lead to increased tax revenues for, for example, VAT returns on higher prices. Inflation is not a tax in itself.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,812
chiefdave said:
More depressing news today. Child poverty figures up to a record high of 4.45 million, DWP also predicting yesterdays changes will push a further 50,000 children into poverty.
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What a fantastically competent government we must have.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,813
MalcSB said:
What a fantastically competent government we must have.
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Would you vote green or Lib Dem now?
 

Ian1779

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,814
chiefdave said:
More depressing news today. Child poverty figures up to a record high of 4.45 million, DWP also predicting yesterdays changes will push a further 50,000 children into poverty.
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It’s alright, Darren Jones and Rachel Reeves said they can just pop out and get a Saturday job.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,815
Sky Blue Pete said:
Would you vote green or Lib Dem now?
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Lib Dem or green? Got to be up there with the worst choices of all time. Both are absolutely useless
 

rob9872

Well-Known Member
  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,816
MalcSB said:
Thank goodness for AI

So lots of paper benefits then, not all tangible ones. Hardly makes inflation effectively a tax.

Inflation will lead to increased tax revenues for, for example, VAT returns on higher prices. Inflation is not a tax in itself.
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If you'd be my bodyguard, I can be your long-lost pal
I can call you Betty and Betty, when you call me
You can call me Al

Doesn't quite fit the same.
 

rob9872

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,817
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Lib Dem or green? Got to be up there with the worst choices of all time. Both are absolutely useless
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Tbf I don't think we'll ever know but unless we get proportional representation (which the main two will never agree to as it serves them so well) then we'll never know. I'd say pointless more than useless. Reform might be polar opposite, but they are similar.

I think there will be more that deflect to all three of these in the next election if things continue as they are, but not enough to translate into many more seats.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,818
wingy said:
Find the Asda version, absolutely fine but the space on the shelves is tiny compared to the Heinz stuff, same with porridge etc since the change of ownership and possibly since the change from fine fayre who I think Asda derived from but not certain, they certainly don't seem like the shoppers friend.
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I think fine fare were taken over in the 1980’s and a lot of their shops rebranded as Gateway who were then taken over by Asda.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,819
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Lib Dem or green? Got to be up there with the worst choices of all time. Both are absolutely useless
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Well I think that's about as good an endorsement as you can get!
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,820
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Well I think that's about as good an endorsement as you can get!
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And then you log off sbt and step into the real world
 

Grendel

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,821
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Well I think that's about as good an endorsement as you can get!
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Has anyone ever voted Lib Dem with any understanding or commitment to their ideology? Do they have one?
 

Captain Dart

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  • Mar 27, 2025
  • #49,822
Grendel said:
Has anyone ever voted Lib Dem with any understanding or commitment to their ideology? Do they have one?
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I am not 100% sure but I think it involves bungee jumping and zumba dancing.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,823
Captain Dart said:
It's rich people who tend to benefit, not people shopping at Aldi for low cost beans.
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Ahhh yes the ever reliable AI Overviews.
 

mmttww

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,824

Nigel Farage says men make sacrifices many women don't for jobs

The Reform leader makes the comments on the role of women in the workplace at an event in Westminster.
www.bbc.co.uk

Farage reaching out to the tofu eating wokerati.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,825
So, this went well then...

 
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wingy

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,826
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
So, this went well then...

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Smart Move that 🫣
 

mmttww

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,827
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
So, this went well then...
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I don't know what that tells us, other than that having drugs sold illegally leads to sh*t like this. If the bloke was released a month later would he have been less likely to do what he did?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,828
mmttww said:
I don't know what that tells us, other than that having drugs sold illegally leads to sh*t like this. If the bloke was released a month later would he have been less likely to do what he did?
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I think it tells us that there were people let out of prison that shouldn't be walking the streets, and the decision to realease some of them was the wrong decision. Further proof really that the justice system is fucked, the government is clueless, and that we have a lot of wronguns around.

Will give you credit for making me have to do a double take... The drug argument is one thing that I don't necessarily disagree with you about, but I think you have missed the point entirely on this.
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,829
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think it tells us that there were people let out of prison that shouldn't be walking the streets, and the decision to realease some of them was the wrong decision. Further proof really that the justice system is fucked, the government is clueless, and that we have a lot of wronguns around.
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Without the benefit of hindsight who would you have preferred to let out? I'm sure nobody would advocate for releasing people convicted of serious crimes to free up space so you're left with people like this who were inside for having a punch up.

Its not Minority Report where they know what offences are taking place in advance. Unless people think reoffending rates are zero what's the solution, keep everyone inside forever?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,830
chiefdave said:
Without the benefit of hindsight who would you have preferred to let out? I'm sure nobody would advocate for releasing people convicted of serious crimes to free up space so you're left with people like this who were inside for having a punch up.

Its not Minority Report where they know what offences are taking place in advance. Unless people think reoffending rates are zero what's the solution, keep everyone inside forever?
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You're not seriously trying to argue that this was a good decision are you?

Someone let out literally killed someone the same day, which is surely evidence enough that they shouldn't have been on the streets.

Minority Report is some serious mental gymnastics. Come on ffs.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,831
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
So, this went well then...

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How was he released my starmer?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,832
Sky Blue Pete said:
How was he released my starmer?
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Paragraph one in the article:

"A prisoner who was freed as part of Sir Keir Starmer’s controversial prison scheme killed someone on the same day he was released."
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,833
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I think it tells us that there were people let out of prison that shouldn't be walking the streets, and the decision to realease some of them was the wrong decision. Further proof really that the justice system is fucked, the government is clueless, and that we have a lot of wronguns around.

Will give you credit for making me have to do a double take... The drug argument is one thing that I don't necessarily disagree with you about, but I think you have missed the point entirely on this.
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I am no fan of Starmer, but not having enough physical space in prisons months after taking office was not his doing. My own preference would be reduced sentences or fines for non violent offenders and longer sentences for violent criminals.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,834
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Paragraph one in the article:

"A prisoner who was freed as part of Sir Keir Starmer’s controversial prison scheme killed someone on the same day he was released."
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Let’s just confirm then it was a prison and probation and parole decision as there isn’t enough space in the prison estate

That’s certainly not starmers fault
 
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mmttww

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,835
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Will give you credit for making me have to do a double take... The drug argument is one thing that I don't necessarily disagree with you about, but I think you have missed the point entirely on this.
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I'm just not convinced that the date the bloke was released is what determined whether or not he was going to re-offend. I could get into a chat about prison and drugs making the whole thing largely a waste of time but it's too sunny out for that.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,836
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
You're not seriously trying to argue that this was a good decision are you?

Someone let out literally killed someone the same day, which is surely evidence enough that they shouldn't have been on the streets.

Minority Report is some serious mental gymnastics. Come on ffs.
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I'm not arguing its good or bad.

What criteria would you apply to decide who to release?

Are you suggesting he would not have re-offended if he'd been released a few days / weeks later?
 
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Sbarcher

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,837
chiefdave said:
More depressing news today. Child poverty figures up to a record high of 4.45 million, DWP also predicting yesterdays changes will push a further 50,000 children into poverty.
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Not disputing the numbers, but this means that 30% live in poverty. Seems pretty high to me unless poverty means not having an iphone or a Play Station.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,838
Sbarcher said:
Not disputing the numbers, but this means that 30% live in poverty. Seems pretty high to me unless poverty means not having an iphone or a Play Station.
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Smart phones are hardly a luxury item in this day and age. You can't have a government on the one hand committed to digitising public services on the other claiming devices that are used to access them are luxury items.
 
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Sbarcher

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,839
fernandopartridge said:
Smart phones are hardly a luxury item in this day and age. You can't have a government on the one hand committed to digitising public services on the other claiming devices that are used to access them are luxury items.
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Fair point. I just don't know what the term "poverty" really means these days.

I'm an old fart from old fart stock!
My great grandfather was killed by a sniper 2 weeks before the end of WW1. My great grandma was left to bring up 6 small children on her own before any sign of a welfare state. She lived in a small rented cottage in Norfolk and did 2 cleaning jobs and with a small hand out from her parish council managed to keep the family together.
We have come a long way from those days (thank God), but often think nowadays we don't know what real poverty is.

A timely quote my old dad used to make - if ever there's another war, they'll have to dig the old'uns up.
 

chiefdave

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  • Mar 28, 2025
  • #49,840
fernandopartridge said:
Smart phones are hardly a luxury item in this day and age. You can't have a government on the one hand committed to digitising public services on the other claiming devices that are used to access them are luxury items.
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Couple of our clients at work employ hundreds of minimum wage, zero hours contract staff. They're all required to have smart phones to access work related things and the company will not provide them. Stuff like apps that show work rotas, authentication apps for logging on to work systems etc.

Should really be supplied by the business if its a requirement but the reality is if you haven't got a phone you aren't getting the job.
 
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