fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
You do it
Place this government on a left right scale of all the govts of your lifetime.
You do it
You do it
Im not the one making claims. Your avoidance tells me you get my point.
Blaming civil servants for not polishing the steaming turd that is Wes Streeting.It’s all a lump of plastic’s fault, you see.
You do it. I have mapped them to the right of the coalition government. Where do you think they are?
What makes them to the right of the government that privatised Royal Mail and the probation service? I can only guess you’re counting Brexit as a socialist win?
Come on mate, are you really pretending that this Labour party is somehow left leaning?
On what evidence?
This "Labour" party has adopted Tory fiscal policy and now their welfare policy too.
They are literally cutting benefits to the old, disabled, and unemployed. They are actively hobbling environmental, consumer, and financial regulators. They're delighting in publicly recreating that hostile environment for immigration.
Their solution to the NHS is, guess what, top-down reorganisation.
Kid yourself all you want mate, but a bit of tinkering around the edges on the railways, and some far off and almost certainly watered down legislation on 'workers rights', does not make this a government of the left.
Poor people will get poorer, and rich people will get richer is all that you're getting here, and there's nothing left wing about that.
We've seen elsewhere what happens to centrist governments that make noises about change, but change nothing, and it's not pretty. That's where we're heading too.
The Blair government was far more progressive than this one.Same question to you.
By any rational metric they’re the most left wing govt in most people in this threads lifetime. Being left wing is more than just increasing all departmental budgets.
The Blair government was far more progressive than this one.
The welfare system should be about protecting the most vulnerable and helping those who want to work back into work.
For the usual suspects what is the answer? A wealth tax? Likely to force wealth out of the country.
What is your sensible solution to the ever increasing DWP bill?
Spending priorities are a political choice.The public purse was also in a far better state…
I’m no mystic Meg, but before the election I did say that the reason Labour won’t be able spend lots on policy areas it traditionally likes is for the same reason the markets punished Liz Truss’ ill-fated government for unfunded tax cuts.
The government of the day is beholden to the debt markets.
The Blair government was far more progressive than this one.
It brought in the minimum wage and brought loads of schools out of disrepair after the Tories had allowed them to rot. Instead this government is so obsessed with penny pinching that it will walk into an electorate that has seen nothing substantively improve and look to the far right for an answer.Was it? Or was it just taking place during an economic boom? It spent most of its time privatising health and education.
Spending priorities are a political choice.
As just one gripe, VAT was jacked up to 20% for seemingly arbitrary reasons and cutting it back to the previous 17.5, never mind 15 it temporarily was under Gordon Brown, hasn't been entertained. It's a regressive sales tax that hits businesses and individuals and has a fair impact on the cost of living.
Would a 2.5% VAT cut spook the markets?
Labour will eat itself.The most left wing government appears to be a controversial statement
Liz Kendall unveils UK benefits cuts set to leave many sick and disabled worse off
Welfare secretary announces changes aimed at cutting bill by up to £5bn in face of opposition from Labour MPswww.theguardian.com
I'm a supporter for welfare, but it is ridiculously exploited by some.
Yep Starmer has snuck into government dressed as a left winger, but in reality he's horrendously right.The reality is the government is proving to be a serious disaster.
Its actually cutting through the welfare system in a way the Tories would not have dared. The savings are miniscule and just exceed the additional funding strangely found to blow away on continuing to back Zelensky.
The zeal and pleasure they seem to be getting from it is pure Thatersism
The Economy meanwhile is shrinking fast and the government increase on employers bearing the cost is deluded.
In two months I have had two customers and three suppliers go bust. Others will be making redundancies in April to mitigate NI and minimum wage hikes. The growth strategy is non existent. I am likely to have to make job cuts in April as customer demand is declining alarmingly.
Reeves is clueless and is wrecking the economy.
Its not a left or right argument - its just facts
Yep Starmer has snuck into government dressed as a left winger, but in reality he's horrendously right.
Well, it is if it refuses to argue that you can’t provide strong public services on the cheap. Scandinavians seem to have no issue with the concept.Yes and those political choices have implications.
I’d love to see tax cuts and a government unfreezing tax brackets. It’s forced people into higher tax bands and disincentivises work for many people at the lower earning thresholds.
Markets are sensitive to ‘unfunded’ government expenditure and applies equally to spending commitments as well as tax cuts. The implication is that any reformist government, left or right is stuck in a quandary. Hence the Labour government taking a similar tack to the last Tory government.
She’s better at running the country than she was at playing chess I supposeIt’s an odd mix of Tory desires to get benefits reduced and and yet tax businesses when there is zero strategy at growing the economy
Reeves couldn’t run a chip shop - she’s pitifully out of her depth
They've not renationalised it or anything else really as yet? They have ducked water renationalisation despite the chronic problems with the sector. Energy LOL, they've established Great British Energy to do something. I'm sure plans are afoot to renationalise Royal Mail and take telecoms back into public ownership where they should be? The probation service was renationalised by the Tories a few years ago.What makes them to the right of the government that privatised Royal Mail and the probation service? I can only guess you’re counting Brexit as a socialist win?
You utter fucking clown.The welfare system should be about protecting the most vulnerable and helping those who want to work back into work.
For the usual suspects what is the answer? A wealth tax? Likely to force wealth out of the country.
What is your sensible solution to the ever increasing DWP bill?
Welfare exploitation will always be minuscule in comparison to tax avoidance and evasion.I'm a supporter for welfare, but it is ridiculously exploited by some.
Spoken like a true Tory.For the usual suspects what is the answer? A wealth tax? Likely to force wealth out of the country.
Re: the second paragraph. Have you had tea at Tufton St?The welfare system should be about protecting the most vulnerable and helping those who want to work back into work.
For the usual suspects what is the answer? A wealth tax? Likely to force wealth out of the country.
What is your sensible solution to the ever increasing DWP bill?
O'Day showing his true colours alright, Madonna did a song about itRe: the second paragraph. Have you had tea at Tufton St?
Where have I suggested otherwise LOL.Welfare exploitation will always be minuscule in comparison to tax avoidance and evasion.
To suggest otherwise is laughable.
I wasn’t suggesting you did to be fair. It was more the idea that people think welfare corruption is some kind of huge pot of money when it’s paltry comparatively.Where have I suggested otherwise LOL.
Welfare exploitation will always be minuscule in comparison to tax avoidance and evasion.
To suggest otherwise is laughable.
The old Labourites were saying that in the era of jobs for life, strong union membership to protect pay and conditions, more secure employment and housing far closer to wages in cost than today.Two separate topics.
In a recent poll, 4 in 10 Gen Zers are considering quitting work to live on benefits, often citing mental health. That clearly risks benefit boom that isn’t fit for purpose.
That clearly isn’t what the vision that Nye Bevan would have for the welfare state - the old Labourites were very much in favour of ‘something for something’. Even Frank Field in the last Labour government looked sustainability of the welfare state and suggested something similar to an individual social security fund.
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