Do you want to discuss boring politics? (21 Viewers)

MalcSB · Mar 1, 2025

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Jammy coffin dodgers.

As someone with a terminal condition who has been undertaking some unpleasant therapies in order to avoid a coffin over the coming months, I found your comment extremely distasteful and distressing. I hope for your older family members sake that assisted dying isn’t introduced - you will be studying the small print very closely.

I was trying to remember who is the most objectionable ageist on here. TBF your name was high on the list, this post has saved me from having to do any further research.

In the meantime, fuck off with comments like this. Think of something new and original.

Captain Dart · Mar 1, 2025

This is the second article Cov Telegraph have done about a protest march in Nuneaton with no mention whatever of what it is about. After a bit of searching I think I've figured out it is a 'Britain First' march and of course there will be a counter protest.

Nuneaton town centre car park closed ahead of planned protest

There is a large police presence around the town centre including in the market

www.coventrytelegraph.net

MalcSB · Mar 1, 2025

Captain Dart said:
This is the second article Cov Telegraph have done about a protest march in Nuneaton with no mention whatever of what it is about. After a bit of searching I think I've figured out it is a 'Britain First' march and of course there will be a counter protest.

Nuneaton town centre car park closed ahead of planned protest

There is a large police presence around the town centre including in the market

www.coventrytelegraph.net

Typically poor journalism. Not sure about the Police’s comments either. IF there is trouble and it spilled into the market and shoppers and or their kids get caught in the crossfire there should be some officials under intense scrutiny.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Mar 1, 2025

MalcSB said:
As someone with a terminal condition who has been undertaking some unpleasant therapies in order to avoid a coffin over the coming months, I found your comment extremely distasteful and distressing. I hope for your older family members sake that assisted dying isn’t introduced - you will be studying the small print very closely.

I was trying to remember who is the most objectionable ageist on here. TBF your name was high on the list, this post has saved me from having to do any further research.

In the meantime, fuck off with comments like this. Think of something new and original.

Was never meant to harm or distress anyone and I apologise that it, understandably, has.

It was supposed to be a joke around "jammy dodgers".

fernandopartridge · Mar 2, 2025

Rail fares up by 4.6%. "Needed to fund the investments to improve the network" according to some dickhead minister wheeled out to justify it. The exact same line we've had for every year of privatisation really. CHANGE.

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Mar 2, 2025

fernandopartridge said:
Rail fares up by 4.6%. "Needed to fund the investments to improve the network" according to some dickhead minister wheeled out to justify it. The exact same line we've had for every year of privatisation really. CHANGE.

If only there were some other way of enabling funds to be directed towards improving the infrastructure. Like if there were individuals or companies being given money by the rail firms because they owned a bit of paper.

MalcSB · Mar 2, 2025

fernandopartridge said:
Rail fares up by 4.6%. "Needed to fund the investments to improve the network" according to some dickhead minister wheeled out to justify it. The exact same line we've had for every year of privatisation really. CHANGE.

Does paying train drivers more than airline pilots improve the network?

It’s all just a load of bollocks spouted by people who are out of their depth.

fernandopartridge · Mar 3, 2025

Wholesale privatisation of the NHS has never been on the table as private companies realise that keeping people alive is expensive. Thankfully, their friends in the Labour party have found a solution:

Assisted dying plan outsources provision to private companies

Ministers have ‘no in-principle objection’ to outsourcing it, if the law is changed, to minimise the effect on existing NHS services

www.thetimes.com

chiefdave · Mar 3, 2025

fernandopartridge said:
Wholesale privatisation of the NHS has never been on the table as private companies realise that keeping people alive is expensive. Thankfully, their friends in the Labour party have found a solution:

Assisted dying plan outsources provision to private companies

Ministers have ‘no in-principle objection’ to outsourcing it, if the law is changed, to minimise the effect on existing NHS services

www.thetimes.com

And this is a big part of the reason the NHS is fucked. The routine and profitable services are taken on by private healthcare companies who reap the rewards. The rest if left with the NHS to deal with but with increasingly less resources as the money is being spent elsewhere and the staff are poached by private providers.

I had a fun day at the hospital on Saturday and the person I saw was very scathing that I was only now seeing someone actually employed by the NHS despite first having gone to my GP in 2010. Bounced around from place to place with symptoms being patched up rather than anyone looking at the overall cause. Was told this happens all the time because nobody is looking outside the narrow band of whatever particular service they are being paid to provide.

Brighton Sky Blue · Mar 3, 2025

Credit where it’s due, this is good.

Sick pay: Low paid workers to get 80% of salary when ill

Those currently earning less than £123 a week are currently not eligible for sick pay.

www.bbc.co.uk

Captain Dart · Mar 3, 2025

When @Ed_Miliband took office, he cancelled the full costing of the Net Zero grid commissioned by his predecessor,
@ClaireCoutinho. .

However, one of the UK's top energy system experts Professor Gordon Hughes, has now published one anyway.

He concludes that Labour's Clean Power 2030 plan will increase the cost of living by £900 or more for the average family.

Will Net Zero reduce electricity costs in 2030?

Background: This piece is an experiment in trying to make the results of quasi-academic research available to a wider audience.

cloudwisdom.substack.com

CCFCSteve · Mar 3, 2025

chiefdave said:
And this is a big part of the reason the NHS is fucked. The routine and profitable services are taken on by private healthcare companies who reap the rewards. The rest if left with the NHS to deal with but with increasingly less resources as the money is being spent elsewhere and the staff are poached by private providers.

I had a fun day at the hospital on Saturday and the person I saw was very scathing that I was only now seeing someone actually employed by the NHS despite first having gone to my GP in 2010. Bounced around from place to place with symptoms being patched up rather than anyone looking at the overall cause. Was told this happens all the time because nobody is looking outside the narrow band of whatever particular service they are being paid to provide.

Got to question WTF is going on when the NHS employs 1.5m people (about 1 in 20 of working age population)

Ps I hope they’re finally sorting out the problem Dave

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Mar 3, 2025

CCFCSteve said:
Got to question WTF is going on when the NHS employs 1.5m people (about 1 in 20 of working age population)

Ps I hope they’re finally sorting out the problem Dave

Well it's a service that literally everyone in the country needs in some form or another, including a large number who are almost entirely reliant on it. Fact that there are massive waiting lists and jobs that aren't filled tells you it should be more.

skybluetony176 · Mar 3, 2025

CCFCSteve said:
Got to question WTF is going on when the NHS employs 1.5m people (about 1 in 20 of working age population)

Ps I hope they’re finally sorting out the problem Dave

It’s nearer to 1 in 30 than 1 in 20 Steve. The working population was 43.2 million at the last count.

chiefdave · Mar 3, 2025

CCFCSteve said:
Ps I hope they’re finally sorting out the problem Dave

If you want another example of how the NHS works basically got told this is the treatment we can offer you but off the record there is far more effective treatment that isn't offered by the NHS so you'd need to go private and pay somewhere in the region of £5K.

The best part? The reason the treatment is not offered on the NHS is because of cost, the treatment they will offer will cost in the region of £8K. Make it make sense.

Marty · Mar 4, 2025

chiefdave said:
If you want another example of how the NHS works basically got told this is the treatment we can offer you but off the record there is far more effective treatment that isn't offered by the NHS so you'd need to go private and pay somewhere in the region of £5K.

The best part? The reason the treatment is not offered on the NHS is because of cost, the treatment they will offer will cost in the region of £8K. Make it make sense.

Why don't you just go private?

shmmeee · Mar 4, 2025

Marty said:
Why don't you just go private?

Doesn’t have £5k lying around?

Marty · Mar 4, 2025

shmmeee said:
Doesn’t have £5k lying around?

If the alternative treatment is going to make such a big difference then find the money.

CCFCSteve · Mar 4, 2025

skybluetony176 said:
It’s nearer to 1 in 30 than 1 in 20 Steve. The working population was 43.2 million at the last count.

Sorry meant number in employment (33m)

fernandopartridge · Mar 4, 2025

Change

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 4, 2025

fernandopartridge said:
Change

You know the answer isn’t anarchy it’s better

SkyBlueCharlie9 · Mar 4, 2025

MalcSB said:
BBC credibility isn’t tanking, it has tanked.

Its now the Biased British Cunits.

BBC too intellectual for you? ....best just stick to getting your disinformation from GBN, with the other gammon drama queen's.

fernandopartridge · Mar 5, 2025

No 10 has put a tweet with a purported voxpop from some young people supporting the economic benefits of spending money on weapons. It's absolutely sickening propaganda Putin would be proud of.

Meanwhile, back in the real world

fernandopartridge · Mar 5, 2025

No wonder he has switched the replies off

shmmeee · Mar 5, 2025

fernandopartridge said:
. It's absolutely sickening propaganda Putin would be proud of.

You’re going to have to be clearer are you for or against this?

shmmeee · Mar 5, 2025

Very wonky and geeky look at GDS, the best thing the Tories did in office, and how it’s like a good DOGE (which is a rebranded version of the US copy of GDS), and where it’s going in the future. Lots of exciting stuff if you’re a policy and data geek like myself.

The new GOV.UK login system is the first step in a radical transformation of the British state

A British "DOGE" (of sorts) is rearchitecting the government

takes.jamesomalley.co.uk

Captain Dart · Mar 5, 2025

fernandopartridge said:
No 10 has put a tweet with a purported voxpop from some young people supporting the economic benefits of spending money on weapons. It's absolutely sickening propaganda Putin would be proud of.

Meanwhile, back in the real world

When did the left become the war party supporting the military industrial complex.

Burgon & Corbyn think otherwise, normally I deride them but on this I agree with them.

Sky Blue Pete · Mar 5, 2025

Captain Dart said:
When did the left become the war party supporting the military industrial complex.

Burgon & Corbyn think otherwise, normally I deride them but on this I agree with them.

Bollox do you just an opportunity to kick starmer again

Captain Dart · Mar 5, 2025

Sky Blue Pete said:
Bollox do you just an opportunity to kick starmer again

I'll just kick Rachel instead.

Chancellor set to cut welfare spending by billions

Cuts to areas including welfare will be put to the official forecaster ahead of the Spring Statement.

www.bbc.co.uk

fernandopartridge · Mar 5, 2025

shmmeee said:
You’re going to have to be clearer are you for or against this?

Am I against government spending on what it wants to spend money on? NO

Am I against government using arguments for spending on one sector that it contradicts for spending in other sectors? Yes

Do I agree that government spending increases money in the private sector? Yes

fernandopartridge · Mar 6, 2025

David O'Day said:
there is not going to be any austerity, if you think there is I have a bridge i'd love to sell you

Ageing like a fine wine

Chancellor set to cut welfare spending by billions

Cuts to areas including welfare will be put to the official forecaster ahead of the Spring Statement.

www.bbc.com

MalcSB · Mar 6, 2025

fernandopartridge said:
Just need to employ significantly more GPs to enable more practices to opt in to provide OOH services

Wasnt responsibility for OOH services specifically excluded from the GP contract agreed with the Labour government of the time? My experience was that GPs were reluctant to any change if there wasn’t something in it for them. Things like electronic referral systems, changes to the cervical cancer service (moving from cytology to HPV testing).

Some observations regarding the specific proposal you have made. Where are these significantly more GPs going to come from? Where is the money going to come from? If successful, where will the medical staff who have diverted for other paths to pursue a career as a GP come from? The NHS is already suffering from a shortage of medics in quite a number of specialties.

Even if the number of university places for medicine doubled, it would be at least a decade before the first intake achieved the experience and qualifications necessary (true for any specialty).

fernandopartridge · Mar 6, 2025

MalcSB said:
Wasnt responsibility for OOH services specifically excluded from the GP contract agreed with the Labour government of the time? My experience was that GPs were reluctant to any change if there wasn’t something in it for them. Things like electronic referral systems, changes to the cervical cancer service (moving from cytology to HPV testing).

Some observations regarding the specific proposal you have made. Where are these significantly more GPs going to come from? Where is the money going to come from? If successful, where will the medical staff who have diverted for other paths to pursue a career as a GP come from? The NHS is already suffering from a shortage of medics in quite a number of specialties.

Even if the number of university places for medicine doubled, it would be at least a decade before the first intake achieved the experience and qualifications necessary (true for any specialty).

There are more peoplecompleting medical courses than there are training places, they have been oversubscribed for years:

UK’s foundation training programme for 2022 was oversubscribed by almost 800 places

The level of oversubscription to the 2022 UK foundation programme is higher than in previous years, with 791 students on the reserve list.1 The foundation programme has seen this trend for a number of years, having been oversubscribed by 258 in 2020 and by 494 in 2021 (see fig 1 and table). In...

www.bmj.com

MalcSB · Mar 6, 2025

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Jammy coffin dodgers.

Some good news for you:

” For the 30 years up to 2011, the number of people dying in the UK was falling but that has changed as the people born during the boom in births following World War Two have grown old. Over the next decade, the number of deaths a year is expected to increase by 12%. “

Copied from:-

Assisted dying debate: The UK’s real problem with palliative care

The UK was once ranked the best country for end-of-life care - but, say experts, that has all changed

www.bbc.co.uk

Really annoying to me for two reasons, one being how much time, effort and money was sent in the early 2010s on developing community end of life care to facilitate people whose preference was to die at home. The second is that, having been unaware of the current situation described, despite having being involved in all that work at the time, I personally didn’t have a huge desire to die at home. My preference is not to die at all, although my belief is that immortality as a stand alone concept is probably not all that great a prospect. Immortality and everlasting health would be the minimum requirement. As that personal preference isn’t going to happen, it is extremely upsetting to see how poor hospital end of life care is being reported to be.

shmmeee · Mar 6, 2025

fernandopartridge said:
There are more peoplecompleting medical courses than there are training places, they have been oversubscribed for years:

UK’s foundation training programme for 2022 was oversubscribed by almost 800 places

The level of oversubscription to the 2022 UK foundation programme is higher than in previous years, with 791 students on the reserve list.1 The foundation programme has seen this trend for a number of years, having been oversubscribed by 258 in 2020 and by 494 in 2021 (see fig 1 and table). In...

www.bmj.com

This seems bonkers to me. Is the worry that they’ll all fuck off as soon as they’ve trained? Cant we golden handcuff them or something. We cut off supply of critical labour all over the shop it seems.

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