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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,546
Saddlebrains said:
This is it

I'm not big in to politics because it's just 2 cheeks of the same arse isn't it

Whoever people have voted for, the crux is Britain is being let down by those in power and has been for decades.

None of them have come up with a plan to actually fix the NHS instead of just saying it

None of them have stopped the rampant profiteering from places such as supermarkets, insurance companies etc

None of them have the bollocks to tell councils and others that the millions they rake in a week from the taxpayer have been pissed away

None of them have got a handle on rampant uncontrolled immigration

I could go on

Britain will always be a choice between 2 parties who are fuck all different when you get down to it
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Do you think there is any good leadership?
At work or in anything you’re Involved in

What does that look like
What would you like to see

as for councils you know adult and children’s social care is fucked don’t you?

what’s the solution if we don’t give some more money to invest in enough people to do the job properly
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,547
Nick said:
Woke up this morning feeling fine, how's your new world you were bragging about?

You might catch on that they are all cunts one day, regardless of what colour tie they have on.
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It's a new world because those corrupt Tory cunts are no longer destroying every single public service. So yeah, fine, thanks for asking.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,548
PVA said:
It's a new world because those corrupt Tory cunts are no longer destroying every single public service. So yeah, fine, thanks for asking.
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It's just the corrupt Labour Cunts instead.

Cracks me up when people are invested like it's their football team.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,549
Nick said:
It's just the corrupt Labour Cunts instead.

Cracks me up when people are invested like it's their football team.
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OK point out the billions of pounds that this government have handed out to their mates then.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,550
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,551
PVA said:
OK point out the billions of pounds that this government have handed out to their mates then.
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Do they have any friends in Mauritius?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,552
shmmeee said:
Im not. But when I’m making the point that new governments often don’t poll well I’m not sure it’s relevant. I know you really really want a Tory govt in 2029, i just think you’ll have to wait a bit.
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New governments sometimes don't poll well but that's usually when they're not doing anything anybody wants
 

Ian1779

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,553
Sky Blue Pete said:
Do you think there is any good leadership?
At work or in anything you’re Involved in

What does that look like
What would you like to see

as for councils you know adult and children’s social care is fucked don’t you?

what’s the solution if we don’t give some more money to invest in enough people to do the job properly
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Even a moderate wealth tax would generate substantial income.
Instead they’re making concessions to non-doms, allowing rampant profiteering in the energy and water sectors as just 2 examples.
They may not be the Tories or culpable for what they have done, but they have no desire to do anything different.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,554
Ian1779 said:
Even a moderate wealth tax would generate substantial income.
Instead they’re making concessions to non-doms, allowing rampant profiteering in the energy and water sectors as just 2 examples.
They may not be the Tories or culpable for what they have done, but they have no desire to do anything different.
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And yet reform are calling them the most left wing givebrment in history and Marxist
 

Ian1779

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,555
Sky Blue Pete said:
And yet reform are calling them the most left wing givebrment in history and Marxist
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Don’t really care what those goons are saying to be honest.

All of those measures are reasonable to implement - why don’t they want to do it?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,556
Ian1779 said:
Don’t really care what those goons are saying to be honest.

All of those measures are reasonable to implement - why don’t they want to do it?
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They want to win I know it sounds mad but that’s it
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,557
Sky Blue Pete said:
They want to win I know it sounds mad but that’s it
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They've won Pete, the election was last July. They have a large majority.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,558
fernandopartridge said:
They've won Pete, the election was last July. They have a large majority.
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I know
You know
They want to be seen as sensible business minded and successful
They’re scared of their own shadows
 
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Ian1779

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,559
Sky Blue Pete said:
I know
You know
They want to be seen as sensible business minded and successful
They’re scared of their own shadows
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They don’t care mate - stop defending them.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,560
Ian1779 said:
They don’t care mate - stop defending them.
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I hope that’s not true
Maybe you’re right
And I didn’t think I was
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,561
fernandopartridge said:
New governments sometimes don't poll well but that's usually when they're not doing anything anybody wants
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Yeah no shit. Every government does stuff people don’t want. Best to do it at the start.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,562
shmmeee said:
Yeah no shit. Every government does stuff people don’t want. Best to do it at the start.
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Let's see what happens. You were telling us all they would move left after the election after all.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 4, 2025
  • #48,563
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
They're not even trying to hide it.

At the next election both Labour and the Conservatives deserve nothing more than a total whitewash defeat. The problem is, I have no faith in the general public using their brains and voting for anything other than a 'safe choice', and I have next to no faith there is anyone else out there willing to step up and fill this void with any kind of common sense approach and policies.

What they're getting away with at present is absolutely shocking, though. I agree with you.
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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but it that were to happen what happens instead? You've essentially only got three other 'mainstream' parties left and I don't think any of them would be great.

LD's would be very similar to what we've seen before.
Reform would be much worse than either and I would be extremely fearful about what they would implement.
Greens IMO do seem to have an idea of where we need to get to (mixed in with some unnecessary stuff) but due to the cost and the amount of pushback from those with money and influence they'd make sure that the international markets had no confidence in them whatsoever, leading to even greater funding problems.

No matter which way you turn you walk smack into a brick wall.
 

MalcSB

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,564
PVA said:
OK point out the billions of pounds that this government have handed out to their mates then.
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It’s early days, give it time.
Train drivers pay rise will be £1bn over 6 years. There will be more, it’s just the nature of the mates who have changed.


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shmmeee

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,565
MalcSB said:
It’s early days, give it time.
Train drivers pay rise will be £1bn over 6 years. There will be more, it’s just the nature of the mates who have changed.

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Oh my god a political party asking for donations???

Have you alerted the press about this discovery Malc?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 5, 2025
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Where I am
I think most labour supporters in the past are too
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,567
Sky Blue Pete said:

Where I am
I think most labour supporters in the past are too
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Privatised water is insane. All privatised utilities are but water especially.
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,568
MalcSB said:
It’s early days, give it time.
Train drivers pay rise will be £1bn over 6 years. There will be more, it’s just the nature of the mates who have changed.

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Ah yes, because asking for donations is the same as giving £40m to your pub landlord and pal.

They're all as bad as each other!!!1!

(by the way Malc, that extract you've copied and pasted includes your email address (and name), might want to edit that )
 
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MalcSB

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,569
shmmeee said:
Oh my god a political party asking for donations???

Have you alerted the press about this discovery Malc?
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Of course not, I was giving 99% of SBT an opportunity to donate.

I wonder how much the rail unions have donated in the past though, for which their membership have been richly rewarded.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 5, 2025
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MalcSB said:
Of course not, I was giving 99% of SBT an opportunity to donate.

I wonder how much the rail unions have donated in the past though, for which their membership have been richly rewarded.
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Did it resolve the strike?
 

MalcSB

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,571
PVA said:
Ah yes, because asking for donations is the same as giving £40m to your pub landlord and pal.

They're all as bad as each other!!!1!

(by the way Malc, that extract you've copied and pasted includes your email address (and name), might want to edit that )
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Thanks for the heads up. What a prat I am - but you knew that anyway.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,572
Sky Blue Pete said:
Did it resolve the strike?
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Any strike can be resolved. It depends at what cost. some agreement to modernising working practices would have made the deal easier to swallow.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,573
PVA said:
Ah yes, because asking for donations is the same as giving £40m to your pub landlord and pal.

They're all as bad as each other!!!1!

(by the way Malc, that extract you've copied and pasted includes your email address (and name), might want to edit that )
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The point I was trying to make is that Labour have mates they reward just like the Tories do. How these “friendships”arise may be different, but the outcome in terms of reward may be similar. In rail unions case, it is not reward to an individual but to the membership of that union.

I do still wonder what Lord Ali was sniffing around Starmer for though.
 

MalcSB

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,574
PVA said:
Ah yes, because asking for donations is the same as giving £40m to your pub landlord and pal.

They're all as bad as each other!!!1!

(by the way Malc, that extract you've copied and pasted includes your email address (and name), might want to edit that )
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The train drivers deal will cost over 50% more per year than the £40 m you seem outraged about.
 

shmmeee

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,575
MalcSB said:
The train drivers deal will cost over 50% more per year than the £40 m you seem outraged about.
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Labour supporters favour giving workers disposable income over corruption giving millions to a mate. More on this shock news as we get it.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 5, 2025
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MalcSB said:
It’s early days, give it time.
Train drivers pay rise will be £1bn over 6 years. There will be more, it’s just the nature of the mates who have changed.

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I have told you many times, the government does not pay for the train drivers' pay rise. It is merely giving approval to the franchiser. It was wrong that the Conservative government blocked the train operating companies from negotiating with ASLEF in the first place.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,577
MalcSB said:
Of course not, I was giving 99% of SBT an opportunity to donate.

I wonder how much the rail unions have donated in the past though, for which their membership have been richly rewarded.
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The largest one (the RMT) isn't affiliated with Labour and hasn't been for 20 years or so
 
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PVA

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,578
MalcSB said:
The train drivers deal will cost over 50% more per year than the £40 m you seem outraged about.
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I can't believe you're trying to compare a pay rise for train drivers to literally giving a mate a £40 contract as if they're the same thing

Actually I can believe it!
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,579
The ASLEF pay deal stated as having compounded at 15% over the period from 2022 to 2025:

CPIH was 9.2% in the 12 months until Dec 2022
4.0% in the 12 months until Dec 2023
3.5% in the 12 months until December 2024

The generous pay offer is therefore below inflation and is a pay cut. Stop moaning Malcolm.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Feb 5, 2025
  • #48,580
MalcSB said:
Any strike can be resolved. It depends at what cost. some agreement to modernising working practices would have made the deal easier to swallow.
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It wasn’t being resolved
 
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