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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (17 Viewers)

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CovValleyBoy

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,371
Sky Blue Pete said:
Which church do you worship at?
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Why do you ask ?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,372
CovValleyBoy said:
Why do you ask ?
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Interested whether you care deeply about xian faith or just using it to make a point
 

MalcSB

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,373
shmmeee said:
Still maintain far more British culture is erased by American cultural dominance than any immigrant.
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Probably correct.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,374
SBT said:
Would two users talking to each other in Hindi (even setting up their own separate forum or sub-thread to do so) erase that culture?
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Heavily dent it I think.
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,375
Sky Blue Pete said:
Interested whether you care deeply about xian faith or just using it to make a point
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I am not making a point around Christian faith. That wouldn't be Christian.
Remarking that it's probably the biggest cultural change in 60 years in this Country :
the continued decline of Christianity & at what cost ?!
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,376
CovValleyBoy said:
I am not making a point around Christian faith. That wouldn't be Christian.
Remarking that it's probably the biggest cultural change in 60 years in this Country :
the continued decline of Christianity & at what cost ?!
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Honestly this insistence that we’re super Christian I’ve only heard in the last five years or so. Generally the attitude to faith I’ve witnessed in the UK is don’t ask don’t tell.
 
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rob9872

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,377
The truth is and nobody seems willing to say it for fear of being labelled as racist or Islamophobic, that quite simply the crux of the 'change culture' is people are scared of Islam. If you dont bury your head in the sand, the general consensus who hide behind 'we're Christian' are in most cases I believe agnostic at best.

There is a genuine fear of 'Islam is taking over' and lots are scared by it in most I assume because a) they don't understand it and b) the attacks over the past generation that have been carried out in it's name by extremists. If there was a willingness to accept we have an issue and an equal willingness to accept that we can all live in a safe space without fear, that indigenous folk can express their concern without label and that immigrants are held to the same standards but without persecution then I think it would all be a lot more harmonious and in general would stop hiding behind changes in culture or religion.

If you asked me there's nothing more British culture than going out and drinking a barrel load of German or Irish beer followed by an Indian curry. Culture changes over time and that's ok, but let's also not shout down everyone who has a different view and feels marginalised or it will only create further division and eventually hate.
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,378
shmmeee said:
Honestly this insistence that we’re super Christian I’ve only heard in the last five years or so. Generally the attitude to faith I’ve witnessed in the UK is don’t ask don’t tell.
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However if you are asked , & I was , if you have faith, you have to tell.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,379
rob9872 said:
The truth is and nobody seems willing to say it for fear of being labelled as racist or Islamophobic, that quite simply the crux of the 'change culture' is people are scared of Islam. If you dont bury your head in the sand, the general consensus who hide behind 'we're Christian' are in most cases I believe agnostic at best.

There is a genuine fear of 'Islam is taking over' and lots are scared by it in most I assume because a) they don't understand it and b) the attacks over the past generation that have been carried out in it's name by extremists. If there was a willingness to accept we have an issue and an equal willingness to accept that we can all live in a safe space without fear, that indigenous folk can express their concern without label and that immigrants are held to the same standards but without persecution then I think it would all be a lot more harmonious and in general would stop hiding behind changes in culture or religion.

If you asked me there's nothing more British culture than going out and drinking a barrel load of German or Irish beer followed by an Indian curry. Culture changes over time and that's ok, but let's also not shout down everyone who has a different view and feels marginalised or it will only create further division and eventually hate.
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I think as a country we’ve always been suspicious of fundamentalists and of overt religious expression TBH. I remember when a school I taught at was taken over by some weird Christian sect that thought the world was 6000 years old and it creeped everyone out including the normal Christian members of staff. My kid goes to a CofE school and that’s barely religious if I’m honest (it’s just the most convenient school).

I think thinks like Sikh turbans and Muslim niqabs trigger the same thing as those people stood in town handing out Christian literature or jehovahs witnesses. I feel like generally we’re happier with quieter faith.
 

rob9872

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,380
A generation ago I think you might have had a more valid point, but apart from a few eejits, I think even the most ignorant these days know that a turban doesn't represent a threat and I can't think of a single thing Sikhs have done negatively to any community on British soil.

This is no way suggesting all Muslims are the problem either, but to call it out for what it is that people are scared of radical Islam so their interpretation is to shut down to all of it.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,381
rob9872 said:
A generation ago I think you might have had a more valid point, but apart from a few eejits, I think even the most ignorant these days know that a turban doesn't represent a threat and I can't think of a single thing Sikhs have done negatively to any community on British soil.

This is no way suggesting all Muslims are the problem either, but to call it out for what it is that people are scared of radical Islam so their interpretation is to shut down to all of it.
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Nah Sikhs are always “one of the good ones” and I think generally are far less segregated than Muslims. Also outside the turban and the sick knife accessories are mostly normally dressed. I think the things ESB is alluding to is more men in thobes and women in niqabs which are out of the norm and stand out a mile.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,382
shmmeee said:
Change of topic:

Drivers caught speeding at 164mph told to stop being 'selfish'

At least 24,000 drivers were detected speeding at over 100mph in five years, police data shows.
www.bbc.co.uk

I was told on my speed awareness course that 30mph over the limit and you “lost your licence” clearly that just means “a short ban”.
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Excess speed, especially to that extent should be viewed the same way morally as drink driving
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,383
fernandopartridge said:
Excess speed, especially to that extent should be viewed the same way morally as drink driving
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Really should as I'm just waiting on one coming through for 35 approx in a thirty,oh well think I'm going to have to pack it in anyway, cracked my windscreen,hot water out the tap,silly mistake always used tepid before.+£200app,New exhaust for MOT circa £300Insurance hike,tax.
Time to drop it I think
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,384
CovValleyBoy said:
I am not making a point around Christian faith. That wouldn't be Christian.
Remarking that it's probably the biggest cultural change in 60 years in this Country :
the continued decline of Christianity & at what cost ?!
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Well that’s nothing to do with immigration.
blame the first and second world wars
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,385
Sky Blue Pete said:
Well that’s nothing to do with immigration.
blame the first and second world wars
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I didn't mention a cause, you have & that is your opinion. I said Christianity in the UK was diminished & therefore it was a significant "change to British culture" which I understood was the question raised.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,386
CovValleyBoy said:
I didn't mention a cause, you have & that is your opinion. I said Christianity in the UK was diminished & therefore it was a significant "change to British culture" which I understood was the question raised.
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It is diminished as much because people are increasingly unlikely to believe in such utter nonsense, especially in a world with easy access to so much information.
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,387
Talking of a fear of Islam taking over...


Suella Braverman Says The UK Could Become 'The First Islamist Nation With Nuclear Weapons'​

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The former home secretary said Britain could "fall into the hands of Muslim fundamentalism" and become like Iran.

Suella Braverman has suggested that the UK could become “the first Islamist nation with nuclear weapons”.
The former home secretary said Britain could “fall into the hands of Muslim fundamentalism” and become like Iran.

“Is it an impossibility that 20 years from now it will be the UK, not China or Russia, that will emerge as the greatest strategic threat to the USA?

“Born out of a broken relationship and weak leadership. What happens if the UK falls into the hands of Muslim fundamentalism, our legal system gets substituted for Sharia Law and our nuclear capabilities vest in a regime not too dissimilar to that of Iran today?
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,388
fernandopartridge said:
It is diminished as much because people are increasingly unlikely to believe in such utter nonsense, especially in a world with easy access to so much information.
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Your assertion. Maybe one day you will reflect & reconsider.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,389
PVA said:
Talking of a fear of Islam taking over...
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After Pakistan. She really is a thicko, absolute fruit loop.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,390
fernandopartridge said:
It is diminished as much because people are increasingly unlikely to believe in such utter nonsense, especially in a world with easy access to so much information.
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God bless you fernando
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,391
Love the idea the Islamists could make us a power to rival China and Russia though. Maybe we should give them a shot?
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,392
shmmeee said:
Love the idea the Islamists could make us a power to rival China and Russia though. Maybe we should give them a shot?
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Is it the case that you can get interest free loans, mortgage's, bring it on, but not the other stuff!
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,393
wingy said:
Is it the case that you can get interest free loans, mortgage's, bring it on, but not the other stuff!
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They’re not really tho. You can get Islamic mortgages here and I think technically the bank buys the house then sells it to you for a profit equivalent to the interest cost. Like Jews on the sabbath there’s lots of God loopholes when needed.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #48,394
The Prince of Darkness grovels

 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #48,395
Can’t be long before politicians change tack on Brexit surely?

 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #48,396
shmmeee said:
Can’t be long before politicians change tack on Brexit surely?

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You can see why Corbyn lost
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #48,397
Sky Blue Pete said:
You can see why Corbyn lost
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I maintain that his Russia stance was far more damaging than his Brexit stance.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #48,398
shmmeee said:
I maintain that his Russia stance was far more damaging than his Brexit stance.
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Ok
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #48,399
Sky Blue Pete said:
Ok
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Brexit hurt him but 2017 was the high watermark really. It was a de facto second referendum. I think by 2019 is was more of a normal election. But we’ve been here before.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #48,400
Sky Blue Pete said:
You can see why Corbyn lost
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Why?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #48,401
A timely story out of Sweden.

Man who burned Quran 'shot dead in Sweden'
 

MalcSB

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #48,402
fernandopartridge said:
Excess speed, especially to that extent should be viewed the same way morally as drink driving
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There seem to be lots of adverts for devices aimed at helping people getting done for speeding.


There is a really easy way to do that at no cost. Just don’t speed.
 

Captain Dart

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #48,403
chiefdave said:
fucking hell, A+for the sweeping generalisations.

Don't want to shoot them down one by one or anything remotely like that. I want an idea of what culture people are fearing is on the verge of disappearing because I'm struggling to think of a single thing I'm concerned is about to vanish from life in Britain.

I mean if you want to take our culture from Facebook groups then we're already fucked.
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I would very much like it if Strictly Come Dancing, The Masked Singer and Ant and Dec disappeared from UK culture.
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #48,404
fernandopartridge said:
The Prince of Darkness grovels

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I hope the Trump administration tells him where to go.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 30, 2025
  • #48,405
Captain Dart said:
I hope the Trump administration tells him where to go.
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Both Epstein associates. Probably old drinking buddies.
 
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