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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (31 Viewers)

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chiefdave

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,336
shmmeee said:
I just find it tiresome when people usually on the left pretend British culture doesn’t exist but every other country’s does. Then do what you’re doing and demand an itemised list they can shoot down one by one to prove their point.

Every group of people has a culture. Go on a local Facebook forum and you’ll see the culture of your local area, England, UK, Europe, all have cultures of various levels.
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fucking hell, A+for the sweeping generalisations.

Don't want to shoot them down one by one or anything remotely like that. I want an idea of what culture people are fearing is on the verge of disappearing because I'm struggling to think of a single thing I'm concerned is about to vanish from life in Britain.

I mean if you want to take our culture from Facebook groups then we're already fucked.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,337
shmmeee said:
Yeah when I posted the tea graph I almost posted church attendance too, and again that’s something recent immigrants tend to be propping up as native brits move away from it.
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Very much so
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,338
chiefdave said:
There's something rather humorous about people complaining about there being too many foreigners in the country. A thing they have noticed when returning from living in another country
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Nah, this is the extreme argument again. There's nothing wrong with immigration or being in immigrant. You often have a better perspective. It's the quantity of numbers which is currently unsustainable that we are talking about here.

There are also many immigrants in the UK who think there has been too much immigration as well. It's a perfectly reasonable stand point.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,339
Get the plate of biscuits question on the citizenship test I say.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,340
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Nah, this is the extreme argument again. There's nothing wrong with immigration or being in immigrant. You often have a better perspective. It's the quantity of numbers which is currently unsustainable that we are talking about here.

There are also many immigrants in the UK who think there has been too much immigration as well. It's a perfectly reasonable stand point.
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Are you still living in the Netherlands?
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,341
fernandopartridge said:
Are you still living in the Netherlands?
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No, I'm currently in the UK for now.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,342
chiefdave said:
fucking hell, A+for the sweeping generalisations.

Don't want to shoot them down one by one or anything remotely like that. I want an idea of what culture people are fearing is on the verge of disappearing because I'm struggling to think of a single thing I'm concerned is about to vanish from life in Britain.

I mean if you want to take our culture from Facebook groups then we're already fucked.
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The British culture. The set of unwritten rules and expectations that they are used to living their life by. I can’t be more specific than that. People like familiarity and fear difference. That’s just humans.

And I used Facebook groups because we’ve both been in the Finham group and laughed at their culture of being suspicious of people walking during the day or teenagers existing. I grew up on The Riddings and we moan about New People who don’t understand that you should flash round the blind bend from Bates Road or stop in passing places (not bloody park in them!!) and not on peoples drives, or build stupid McMansions. None of these things are law they’re just unspoken agreements on how we can all live together in harmony.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,343
We’ve got a culture here. It’s piss taking and bad puns and Grays Gone and not bringing politics into the football forum (!!!!!). Knowing it makes you feel more at home.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,344
shmmeee said:
The British culture. The set of unwritten rules and expectations that they are used to living their life by. I can’t be more specific than that. People like familiarity and fear difference. That’s just humans.
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But what you're describing there changes over time irrespective of immigration so not really sure how restricting the number of foreigners coming into the country is going to solve that. Personally that's not what I consider the culture of a country so maybe you're all arguing about something completely different.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,345
shmmeee said:
We’ve got a culture here. It’s piss taking and bad puns and Grays Gone and not bringing politics into the football forum (!!!!!). Knowing it makes you feel more at home.
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Would two users talking to each other in Hindi (even setting up their own separate forum or sub-thread to do so) erase that culture?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,346
SBT said:
Would two users talking to each other in Hindi (even setting up their own separate forum or sub-thread to do so) erase that culture?
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I think it would cause unease but then translation tools are easily available online so I don’t think it’s comparable TBH.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,347
chiefdave said:
But what you're describing there changes over time irrespective of immigration so not really sure how restricting the number of foreigners coming into the country is going to solve that. Personally that's not what I consider the culture of a country so maybe you're all arguing about something completely different.
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To be clear I’m not arguing the British culture is under threat from foreign invaders. I’m arguing it exists and people who claim that aren’t making some wild statement.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,348
The translation stuff is really daft
And I don’t want to take jobs off people but how hard it to use Google translate or have an iPad available
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,349
Sky Blue Pete said:
The translation stuff is really daft
And I don’t want to take jobs off people but how hard it to use Google translate or have an iPad available
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Don’t recommend AI as a way to save the NHS money…
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,350
chiefdave said:
I want an idea of what culture people are fearing is on the verge of disappearing
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Using bins.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,351
Nick said:
Using bins.
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If losing our culture means there's not 101 posts every week on facebook about what colour bin to put out I'm all for it
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,352
shmmeee said:
Don’t recommend AI as a way to save the NHS money…
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Given that I've done procurement of interpretation and translation services for the NHS in the past, I know for a stone cold fact that neither patients nor clinicians want to use AI to try and exchange complex and incredibly sensitive and personal information.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,353
fernandopartridge said:
Given that I've done procurement of interpretation and translation services for the NHS in the past, I know for a stone cold fact that neither patients nor clinicians want to use AI to try and exchange complex and incredibly sensitive and personal information.
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I think if you’ve got a fixed view on the quality of a fast moving cutting edge tech your view is probably based on your biases more than anything concrete tbh.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,354
shmmeee said:
I think if you’ve got a fixed view on the quality of a fast moving cutting edge tech your view is probably based on your biases more than anything concrete tbh.
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Your view or mine is irrelevant really. If the parties either side of the exchange don't want it, they don't want it.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,355
chiefdave said:
If losing our culture means there's not 101 posts every week on facebook about what colour bin to put out I'm all for it
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On the other hand, drive down the end of Foleshill Road by Culworth Court for a look.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,356
chiefdave said:
If losing our culture means there's not 101 posts every week on facebook about what colour bin to put out I'm all for it
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In fairness, you went to Sweden and said there didn't look like any impact of immigration whatsoever, particularly with safety, which is just mind boggling.

Sorry mate, but you should probably sit this one out, along with anyone walking round the UK that claim they haven't seen any changes in the last 30 years!
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,357
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Sorry mate, but you should probably sit this one out, along with anyone walking round the UK that claim they haven't seen any changes in the last 30 years!
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Who's said that?
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,358
shmmeee said:
To be clear I’m not arguing the British culture is under threat from foreign invaders. I’m arguing it exists and people who claim that aren’t making some wild statement.
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Have we got a translation button on here yet?
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,359
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
In fairness, you went to Sweden and said there didn't look like any impact of immigration whatsoever, particularly with safety, which is just mind boggling.

Sorry mate, but you should probably sit this one out, along with anyone walking round the UK that claim they haven't seen any changes in the last 30 years!
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Not sure telling people who have been to other countries to pipe down because their personal experience doesn't match yours is really a good way to debate.
 
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wingy

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,360
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
In fairness, you went to Sweden and said there didn't look like any impact of immigration whatsoever, particularly with safety, which is just mind boggling.

Sorry mate, but you should probably sit this one out, along with anyone walking round the UK that claim they haven't seen any changes in the last 30 years!
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He did also mention that they seemed to have a culture of finishing on time and also had enough discretionary income to go out or straight out from work which is always a good thing.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,361
chiefdave said:
Not sure telling people who have been to other countries to pipe down because their personal experience doesn't match yours is really a good way to debate.
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I'm sorry, but it's just ridiculous to even entertain this. When it comes to the immigration debate, Sweden is about as good a talking point as any example in the world. Admittedly I have lived there, but if you've visited recently and cannot see any effects of immigration then any debate just isn't worthwhile to have.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,362
SBT said:
Who's said that?
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You asked for help identifying what has changed in the UK, as you couldn't work it out.

Can you genuinely see no changes in the UK?

It looks like either you were actually playing dumb, or you were too busy tying yourself in knots trying to argue the contrary for no reason that you forgot.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,363
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I'm sorry, but it's just ridiculous to even entertain this. When it comes to the immigration debate, Sweden is about as good a talking point as any example in the world. Admittedly I have lived there, but if you've visited recently and cannot see any effects of immigration then any debate just isn't worthwhile to have.
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I mean what do you want, me to make up issues I witnessed
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,364
Change of topic:

Drivers caught speeding at 164mph told to stop being 'selfish'

At least 24,000 drivers were detected speeding at over 100mph in five years, police data shows.
www.bbc.co.uk

I was told on my speed awareness course that 30mph over the limit and you “lost your licence” clearly that just means “a short ban”.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,365
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
You asked for help identifying what has changed in the UK, as you couldn't work it out.

Can you genuinely see no changes in the UK?

It looks like either you were actually playing dumb, or you were too busy tying yourself in knots trying to argue the contrary for no reason that you forgot.
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I think you misunderstood what I was asking you for. Go back and read it again - I want to know which parts of British culture are being erased, not what changes have happened in British society.

Obviously I know there have been changes (duh). But the existence of Turkish barbers (or Polish supermarkets, or Huguenot weavers) in Britain does not preclude the existence of a British culture, or necessitate its erasure.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,366
Still maintain far more British culture is erased by American cultural dominance than any immigrant.
 
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SBT

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,367
Me walking outside:

 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,368
SBT said:
I think you misunderstood what I was asking you for. Go back and read it again - I want to know which parts of British culture are being erased, not what changes have happened in British society.

Obviously I know there have been changes (duh). But the existence of Turkish barbers (or Polish supermarkets, or Huguenot weavers) in Britain does not preclude the existence of a British culture, or necessitate its erasure.
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Christianity was ingrained in British culture. I feel it is being marginalised.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,369
CovValleyBoy said:
Christianity was ingrained in British culture. I feel it is being marginalised.
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Which church do you worship at?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 29, 2025
  • #48,370
This is pretty awful

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