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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,251
shmmeee said:
So no one’s commenting on how the richest man in the world is currently trying to get British MPs murdered?
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Wait what?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,252
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
They are, and they have been.

It's a massive scandal that continues to get swept under the carpet. The level of apologism for it is bizarre.

Once again, people are more angry at people saying stuff on twitter than they are at the ones committing these offences. It's very cowardly.
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Not one person is more angry at people tweeting than the cxxts who groomed raped murdered and abused girls in care around the country
Kids in care have always been are and probably will always be treated like shit
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,253
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
You haven't been able to say a single negative word about the grooming gangs, so your opinion isn't needed here.

Disgust at them transcends political party for most normal people.
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I mean thanks for confirming you’re not normal I guess. I’m not sure what you want me to say that hasn’t been said, do you think anyone anywhere is pro grooming gang?

Ready to explain why you’re only upset when Labour are in power if it’s not about politics for you?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,254
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Wait what?
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Look at his tweet about Jess Phillips.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,255
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not one person is more angry at people tweeting than the cxxts who groomed raped murdered and abused girls in care around the country
Kids in care have always been are and probably will always be treated like shit
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Not just kids in care. Vulnerable kids full stop and frankly young girls full stop.

The attitude in the early 2000s was that a 15 year old could consent. Thankfully that’s not the case any more but we still don’t take sexual abuse claims seriously enough clearly.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,256
Because it’s a frankly abhorrent accusation ESB I bothered to check and here’s my comment 8 years ago on the matter:

Three girls

You again seem more interesting in hyping up Tommy Robinson than the girls themselves. So a consistent pattern of behaviour from you really.
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,257
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not one person is more angry at people tweeting than the cxxts who groomed raped murdered and abused girls in care around the country
Kids in care have always been are and probably will always be treated like shit
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It might just be how it reads but your second line is very much normalising it,
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,258
Dad currently in hospital and it’s interesting to see signs up asking people to kindly not direct racist abuse at the staff. Is this our society now?
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,259
shmmeee said:
Because it’s a frankly abhorrent accusation ESB I bothered to check and here’s my comment 8 years ago on the matter:

Three girls

You again seem more interesting in hyping up Tommy Robinson than the girls themselves. So a consistent pattern of behaviour from you really.
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I don't think you have thought this through. You are on these threads all day every day having a go at people, but you have to go back eight years to find something -- and you haven't even had the balls to call out the muslim community in that post anyway. The biggest problem in all of this. Jess Phillips would love you. A pathetic apologist for these fucking scumbags.

I have consistently called this shit out regardless of who is in power, so stop trying to get wise on the politics to deflect from your own cowardice.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,260
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
I don't think you have thought this through. You are on these threads all day every day having a go at people, but you have to go back eight years to find something -- and you haven't even had the balls to call out the muslim community in that post anyway. The biggest problem in all of this. Jess Phillips would love you. A pathetic apologist for these fucking scumbags.

I have consistently called this shit out regardless of who is in power, so stop trying to get wise on the politics to deflect from your own cowardice.
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You haven’t though. You didn’t last year. All you care about is being racist, you’ve no interest in abused kids whatsoever. If they’re abused my a white guy you sleep, brown man and here comes the kid protector, it’s so fucking transparent.

I went back eight years because that’s the last time this was in the news. And again you couldn’t give a shiny shit about these girls, all you care about is hyping online grifters because you care more about your politics than what’s happening to these girls.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,261
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Dad currently in hospital and it’s interesting to see signs up asking people to kindly not direct racist abuse at the staff. Is this our society now?
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Yes
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,262
Nick said:
It might just be how it reads but your second line is very much normalising it,
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It probably was badly written it was more to say there’s a lot more blame here than at labour or tories or social services or police and I don’t just mean the perpetrators who are of course the main ones to blame
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,263
shmmeee said:
You haven’t though. You didn’t last year. All you care about is being racist, you’ve no interest in abused kids whatsoever. If they’re abused my a white guy you sleep, brown man and here comes the kid protector, it’s so fucking transparent.

I went back eight years because that’s the last time this was in the news. And again you couldn’t give a shiny shit about these girls, all you care about is hyping online grifters because you care more about your politics than what’s happening to these girls.
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No arguments so start calling people racist. You're fucking pathetic, and I feel sorry for your children. You would happily sit by and watch our society go to shit, and put them at risk of people like this because you are too much of a coward to call it out.

I don't care about selectiveness, political party, or race (Islam isn't even one) - but I can objectively see there is a massive problem with the muslim community that people like you are helping to defend, putting more young children such as your own ultimately at risk.

Anyone abusing women or children are disgusting, and I find the people covering it up, making excuses, or calling people racist utterly pathetic human beings as well. History will remember those like you.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,264
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
No arguments so start calling people racist. You're fucking pathetic, and I feel sorry for your children. You would happily sit by and watch our society go to shit, and put them at risk of people like this because you are too much of a coward to call it out.

I don't care about selectiveness, political party, or race (Islam isn't even one) - but I can objectively see there is a massive problem with the muslim community that people like you are helping to defend, putting more young children such as your own ultimately at risk.

Anyone abusing women or children are disgusting, and I find the people covering it up, making excuses, or calling people racist utterly pathetic human beings as well. History will remember those like you.
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Tarring a whole community by the actions of individuals is how it starts ESB.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,265
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Tarring a whole community by the actions of individuals is how it starts ESB.
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Grow up.

If you need someone to say 'it isn't every single muslim in the world' then you aren't old enough to be on the internet or have a debate.

Maybe address the issue rather than trying to find loopholes and distractions to pull away from the uncomfortable topic at hand.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,266
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
Grow up.

If you need someone to say 'it isn't every single muslim in the world' then you aren't old enough to be on the internet or have a debate.

Maybe address the issue rather than trying to find loopholes and distractions to pull away from the uncomfortable topic at hand.
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On the contrary. You blamed it on the Muslim community.

What is the solution in your view? Kick them out or just don’t let more in?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,267
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
No arguments so start calling people racist. You're fucking pathetic, and I feel sorry for your children. You would happily sit by and watch our society go to shit, and put them at risk of people like this because you are too much of a coward to call it out.

I don't care about selectiveness, political party, or race (Islam isn't even one) - but I can objectively see there is a massive problem with the muslim community that people like you are helping to defend, putting more young children such as your own ultimately at risk.

Anyone abusing women or children are disgusting, and I find the people covering it up, making excuses, or calling people racist utterly pathetic human beings as well. History will remember those like you.
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What you say and what you do are two very different things.

Fuck all the way off with your selective fake anger.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,268
Brighton Sky Blue said:
On the contrary. You blamed it on the Muslim community.

What is the solution in your view? Kick them out or just don’t let more in?
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shmmeee said:
What you say and what you do are two very different things.

Fuck all the way off with your selective fake anger.
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If you cannot see that there is a problem with grooming gangs and there being a high concentration of Muslim perpetrators, then not only are you part of the problem, but you're towing a similar line to the authorities who originally buried it in the first place.

It's cowardly beyond belief, and there is zero point carrying this on with you any further.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,269
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
If you cannot see that there is a problem with grooming gangs and there being a high concentration of Muslim perpetrators, then not only are you part of the problem, but you're towing a similar line to the authorities who originally buried it in the first place.

It's cowardly beyond belief, and there is zero point carrying this on with you any further.
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I didn't try to deny what's already happened, I asked what you thought the solution should be.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,270
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
If you cannot see that there is a problem with grooming gangs and there being a high concentration of Muslim perpetrators, then not only are you part of the problem, but you're towing a similar line to the authorities who originally buried it in the first place.

It's cowardly beyond belief, and there is zero point carrying this on with you any further.
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No one is arguing with you you fucking retard.

This is your shit politics all over:

“Rape is bad!!!”
“Yeah we know, we’re working on it”
“Rape is bad and if you don’t hate Muslims you love rape”
“What?”
“See! You love rapists!”

You aren’t some lone warrior fighting a world of grooming gang apologists. You’re just a racist twat who spends too much time online. You and your ilk have spent far more time arguing about how when a woman says she was raped we shouldn’t believe her than any practical measures to reduce sexual assault. You hate feminists who try and reduce sexual assault. You love misogynists with basically the same views on women as radical Islam and Bumfuckistan.

You pretend to give a shit only when you see a chance to attack your political enemies and the rest of the time work overtime to stop anything that might actually prevent violence against women and girls.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,271
Does anyone think musk is deliberately doing this to take the heat of Israel?
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,272
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
If you cannot see that there is a problem with grooming gangs and there being a high concentration of Muslim perpetrators, then not only are you part of the problem, but you're towing a similar line to the authorities who originally buried it in the first place.

It's cowardly beyond belief, and there is zero point carrying this on with you any further.
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Without wishing to get sucked into one of your pissed up rants, and because I don’t know and am genuinely interested, I’d like to ask if there are there stats that show the ethnicity of these sickos?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,273
Ring Of Steel said:
Without wishing to get sucked into one of your pissed up rants, and because I don’t know and am genuinely interested, I’d like to ask if there are there stats that show the ethnicity of these sickos?
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Yep musk said before Muslims there were no rapes or assaults and women were able to live in peace
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,274
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep musk said before Muslims there were no rapes or assaults and women were able to live in peace
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he would.. are there actual stats though?
 

shmmeee

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,275
Ring Of Steel said:
Without wishing to get sucked into one of your pissed up rants, and because I don’t know and am genuinely interested, I’d like to ask if there are there stats that show the ethnicity of these sickos?
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This particular issue (grooming gangs) is majority Pakistani.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,276
From ChatGPT, seems legit.

“Afaik there’s no definitive, comprehensive dataset for all “grooming gangs” from the 90s–00s in the UK. Most commentary zeroes in on high-profile cases (like Rotherham, Telford, Rochdale) where a significant number of offenders were of Pakistani heritage.

- The 2014 Jay Report on Rotherham child sexual exploitation found most identified perpetrators there were British-Pakistani men.

- Home Office research (2020) said data is too incomplete to conclude that any one ethnicity is disproportionately represented overall in group-based CSE (child sexual exploitation), partly bc these offenses aren’t always recorded in a uniform manner.

- Quilliam Foundation published a controversial report (2017) asserting most grooming-gang offenders were “Asian,” but critics challenged the methodology.

- Broader stats on sexual offenses in the UK still show that most offenders, in general, are white, in line with wider demographics, though this doesn’t directly parse “gangs” vs. other forms of abuse.

TL;DR: We have patchy stats w/ some notable clusters of Pakistani-background perpetrators in specific scandals, but official data remains iffy on broader ethnic patterns.“
 
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PVA

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,277
According to an article on the BBC:


The Home Office commissioned a study of the available data in 2020. It said:
  • "The academic literature highlights significant limitations to what can be said about links between ethnicity and this form of offending."
  • "Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white."
  • "Some studies suggest an over-representation of Black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations."
It found there was limited research on offender identity and poor quality data, which made it difficult to draw conclusions, however "it is likely that no one community or culture is uniquely predisposed to offending".

A previous piece of research from 2015 found that of 1,231 perpetrators of "group and gang-based child sexual exploitation", 42% were white, 14% were defined as Asian or Asian British and 17% black
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,278
The problem people like ESB have isn’t that we don’t recognise or aren’t appalled by grooming gangs, it’s that we don’t take the next step in their eyes of hating all Muslims.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,279
Just to drop a grenade, if you’re looking for a demographic to get mad at about sexual assaults, it’s men. We commit 98% of them.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,280
shmmeee said:
No one is arguing with you you fucking retard.

This is your shit politics all over:

“Rape is bad!!!”
“Yeah we know, we’re working on it”
“Rape is bad and if you don’t hate Muslims you love rape”
“What?”
“See! You love rapists!”

You aren’t some lone warrior fighting a world of grooming gang apologists. You’re just a racist twat who spends too much time online. You and your ilk have spent far more time arguing about how when a woman says she was raped we shouldn’t believe her than any practical measures to reduce sexual assault. You hate feminists who try and reduce sexual assault. You love misogynists with basically the same views on women as radical Islam and Bumfuckistan.

You pretend to give a shit only when you see a chance to attack your political enemies and the rest of the time work overtime to stop anything that might actually prevent violence against women and girls.
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this is actually spot on
 
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Nick

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,281
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Dad currently in hospital and it’s interesting to see signs up asking people to kindly not direct racist abuse at the staff. Is this our society now?
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Fucking madness. Anybody abusing any of the staff (racist or otherwise) should get kicked off the NHS list I think. Cunts.

Hope he gets well soon though.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,282
Nick said:
Fucking madness. Anybody abusing any of the staff (racist or otherwise) should get kicked off the NHS list I think. Cunts.

Hope he gets well soon though.
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I think that may well happen in certain places
 

Bugsy

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,283
Not wading in with anything at all and only partly read a few of the latest posts granted (don't do to well at)
subjectively or not but what other country has only Muslim areas where they will kill if white people even walked down that way and get away with it?
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,284
Bugsy said:
Not wading in with anything at all and only partly read a few of the latest posts granted (don't do to well at)
subjectively or not but what other country has only Muslim areas where they will kill if white people even walked down that way and get away with it?
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Is this serious
 

Bugsy

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  • Jan 3, 2025
  • #47,285
Sky Blue Pete said:
Is this serious
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Yes. I am surly not the only one who have had experience of this issue. It's well known.well I thought it was. Areas in Birmingham for a start.
 
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