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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (30 Viewers)

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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,796
ccfcno9 said:
No 1 itunes downloads. No1 Amazon downloads. No 1 global singles charts so played once on Capital radio last week(starmer edited out of lyrics and Artist name censored). No surprise not mentioned on BBC or plays and nowhere on official UK charts(67 actually).
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How often do you see the BBC interrupt the news to tell you who's top of the charts?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,797
Looks like the area by culworth court is going to get dramatically worse....
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,798
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I said it rarely happens now. I just fail to see how liberalising planning laws will result in communities with all the amenities - who is going to build them by choice when there's no money in it? Unless liberalise means let them do it cheap and shoddy and I don't see how that's better.
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Government. That’s who normally builds and operates things there’s no economic case for. I’m just not sure why you’d refuse to build anything in case somewhere a house is built without what you’d consider the right amenities.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,799
ccfcno9 said:
No 1 itunes downloads. No1 Amazon downloads. No 1 global singles charts so played once on Capital radio last week(starmer edited out of lyrics and Artist name censored). No surprise not mentioned on BBC or plays and nowhere on official UK charts(67 actually).
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Just like every previous Christmas when it was an anti Tory song then.

Watching the right work out what opposition is like sure is entertaining.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,800
shmmeee said:
“Am I being hysterical? Look at all these other hysterical people!?”

Solid argument.

I only use Reddit for porn I’m afraid and I’m sadly aware it’s nothing like real life.
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I always knew you’d be into furries.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,801
I’d say the country is hardly in the doldrums but there’s certainly been an ongoing decline over the last 15-20 years that’s got more acute in recent years…for the middle and working class.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,802
Sick Boy said:
I always knew you’d be into furries.
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If that’s your sub I won’t judge.
 
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duffer

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  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,803
Talk about a shambles. The government cuts WFA with the excuse that the worst affected will be able to claim pension credit.

Then they can't manage the surge of claimants for pension credit. So guess what, the poorest pensioners who relied on WFA will now go cold over Christmas.

And we have people who's only real justification for voting for Starmer was that he was at least competent.

Nope, turns out he's both a liar and incompetent.

More brainless, cowardly shite, by a government that's bound itself into the same fiscal nonsense that hasn't worked in the last few decades.

It's not austerity though, apparently.

Pensioners could miss out on Winter Fuel Payment this year

Tens of thousands of pensioners might not get their Winter Fuel Payments this year because of a backlog in processing claims.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,804
duffer said:
Talk about a shambles. The government cuts WFA with the excuse that the worst affected will be able to claim pension credit.

Then they can't manage the surge of claimants for pension credit. So guess what, the poorest pensioners who relied on WFA will now go cold over Christmas.

And we have people who's only real justification for voting for Starmer was that he was at least competent.

Nope, turns out he's both a liar and incompetent.

More brainless, cowardly shite, by a government that's bound itself into the same fiscal nonsense that hasn't worked in the last few decades.

It's not austerity though, apparently.

Pensioners could miss out on Winter Fuel Payment this year

Tens of thousands of pensioners might not get their Winter Fuel Payments this year because of a backlog in processing claims.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Im not sure how hiring more people to ensure more people get benefits is austerity but sure. Buzz word I guess.
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,805
duffer said:
Talk about a shambles. The government cuts WFA with the excuse that the worst affected will be able to claim pension credit.

Then they can't manage the surge of claimants for pension credit. So guess what, the poorest pensioners who relied on WFA will now go cold over Christmas.

And we have people who's only real justification for voting for Starmer was that he was at least competent.

Nope, turns out he's both a liar and incompetent.

More brainless, cowardly shite, by a government that's bound itself into the same fiscal nonsense that hasn't worked in the last few decades.

It's not austerity though, apparently.

Pensioners could miss out on Winter Fuel Payment this year

Tens of thousands of pensioners might not get their Winter Fuel Payments this year because of a backlog in processing claims.
www.bbc.co.uk
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They must have shifted all the civil servants over to the home office dealing with all those asylum claims!
 
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wingy

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  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,806
wingy said:
They must have shifted all the civil servants over to the home office dealing with all those asylum claims!
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Oh no they've recruited 500 extra staff.sounds like this initiative has had a spillover to actual claim's that have been made in really good time, like back to spring, although who gets the blame for that as it was a different administration?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,807
Interesting to watch the Question Time from Lincoln a few weeks ago where Farage was in full character lighting the touch paper on blaming immigrants for everything that’s wrong with the country.

The quite pathetic Labour minister and random Tory on there didn’t have a clue. Sleepwalking into a Reform government if neither party sorts itself out.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,808
Sick Boy said:
I’d say the country is hardly in the doldrums but there’s certainly been an ongoing decline over the last 15-20 years that’s got more acute in recent years…for the middle and working class.
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And I wonder who’s been in charge
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,809
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Interesting to watch the Question Time from Lincoln a few weeks ago where Farage was in full character lighting the touch paper on blaming immigrants for everything that’s wrong with the country.

The quite pathetic Labour minister and random Tory on there didn’t have a clue. Sleepwalking into a Reform government if neither party sorts itself out.
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I still dream he’ll be found out but I doubt it
Have always been told to run a mile from frauds offering simple solutions to complex problems but maybe that’s why I’m not rich
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,810
Sky Blue Pete said:
And I wonder who’s been in charge
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At the moment nothing will change under Starmer. As @Brighton Sky Blue says above, the country will sleepwalk into a Reform government.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,811
Sky Blue Pete said:
I still dream he’ll be found out but I doubt it
Have always been told to run a mile from frauds offering simple solutions to complex problems but maybe that’s why I’m not rich
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Dig a little deeper and he makes contradictory points. Blames Labour for giving pay rises to the public sector but also wants immigration to come down when we rely heavily on foreign labour to work in the NHS and social care.

There is a left wing argument to getting immigration down as a way of strengthening our economic and workforce security, but I haven’t heard Labour making it.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,812
Sick Boy said:
At the moment nothing will change under Starmer. As @Brighton Sky Blue says above, the country will sleepwalk into a Reform government.
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Gallop
Even my considered friends think there going to solve everything and MBGA make Britain’s great again
And my lads peers at school love someone who shouts at those that disagree and blames everything on groups that aren’t them
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,813
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Dig a little deeper and he makes contradictory points. Blames Labour for giving pay rises to the public sector but also wants immigration to come down when we rely heavily on foreign labour to work in the NHS and social care.

There is a left wing argument to getting immigration down as a way of strengthening our economic and workforce security, but I haven’t heard Labour making it.
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They’re the least worst and certainly at best centrist but still contain left of centre individuals in the parliamentary party
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,814
Sick Boy said:
At the moment nothing will change under Starmer. As @Brighton Sky Blue says above, the country will sleepwalk into a Reform government.
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Wife and I were discussing how the cost of everything just continues to spiral while our income gets more squeezed and Labour just point to a slightly smaller deficit.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,815
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Wife and I were discussing how the cost of everything just continues to spiral while our income gets more squeezed and Labour just point to a slightly smaller deficit.
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Need to be much braver
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,816
I can't see with our electoral system a reform majority
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,817
Yes inflation is still going up,2.6% this morning.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,818
Grendel said:
I can't see with our electoral system a reform majority
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They don’t need a majority, just a plurality.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,819
wingy said:
Yes inflation is still going up,2.6% this morning.
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Cos sunak is no longer in charge he sorted it out
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,820
Grendel said:
I can't see with our electoral system a reform majority
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My goodness I agree with Grendel on something.

It's a Christmas miracle.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,821
PVA said:
My goodness I agree with Grendel on something.

It's a Christmas miracle.
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I think it’s gonna happen
The amount of people who are pig sick of authority is awful
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,822
Sky Blue Pete said:
I think it’s gonna happen
The amount of people who are pig sick of authority is awful
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There is an irony that the 16 - 18 voting idea will probably benefit Reform as they seem to have some sway with younger voters but it would be monumental for a party to achieve the number of seats needed from virtually ground zero
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,823
Grendel said:
There is an irony that the 16 - 18 voting idea will probably benefit Reform as they seem to have some sway with younger voters but it would be monumental for a party to achieve the number of seats needed from virtually ground zero
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New world
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,824
Grendel said:
There is an irony that the 16 - 18 voting idea will probably benefit Reform as they seem to have some sway with younger voters but it would be monumental for a party to achieve the number of seats needed from virtually ground zero
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Perhaps not if the vote were split along the sort of lines it is now.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,825
Sky Blue Pete said:
New world
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The only way they would have a hope is if they signed some big names from the Tory Party

 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,826
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Dig a little deeper and he makes contradictory points. Blames Labour for giving pay rises to the public sector but also wants immigration to come down when we rely heavily on foreign labour to work in the NHS and social care.

There is a left wing argument to getting immigration down as a way of strengthening our economic and workforce security, but I haven’t heard Labour making it.
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The argument for lowering immigration isn’t right or left wing it’s about democracy. The country has very clearly had a majority for lower immigration for almost 20 years. Any government that doesn’t deliver it isn’t representing its constituents.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,827
Sky Blue Pete said:
I think it’s gonna happen
The amount of people who are pig sick of authority is awful
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FPTP doesn’t favour over the air, low ground support, geographically diffused parties. Like when the Lib Dem’s “surged” in 2010.

Also Trump won’t be in power in 2029 and we have no idea if Musk will still have his latest fascination. These aren’t reliable political allies we’re talking about.

But if they don’t handle immigration like everyone else they’ll get kicked out and a reform Tory coalition is likely at best.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,828
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Dig a little deeper and he makes contradictory points. Blames Labour for giving pay rises to the public sector but also wants immigration to come down when we rely heavily on foreign labour to work in the NHS and social care.

There is a left wing argument to getting immigration down as a way of strengthening our economic and workforce security, but I haven’t heard Labour making it.
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Yeah. The party is both anti-immigration and pro- big business/rich. But those to are incompatable. For business to make huge profits low-wage immigration is absolutely vital.

IF he got into power he would definitely put big business ahead of immigration. Trouble is he'd still find ways to blame others for the immigration situation not being sorted out and there'd be plenty in his personality cult willing to swallow it for quite a long time.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,829
Grendel said:
The only way they would have a hope is if they signed some big names from the Tory Party

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Wouldn't put it past Boris.

I think it's far more likely Farage will defect to the Tories in a year or so and then become leader before the next GE, which the Tories would win comfortably and make the last lot of Tory nutcases look almost sane.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Dec 18, 2024
  • #46,830
Nick said:
Looks like the area by culworth court is going to get dramatically worse....
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OK, I'll bite. Why?
 
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