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MalcSB

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  • Dec 7, 2024
  • #46,516
All not well in Europe,

EU farmers plan protests as Von der Leyen approves Mercosur trade deal

Deal objected to by France will, if ratified, cut tariffs on trade with Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay
www.theguardian.com
 

MalcSB

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  • Dec 7, 2024
  • #46,517
https://www.facebook.com/
Fucking lying snake.
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,518
MalcSB said:
That would be a change.
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Setting all your pants on fire and wearing a shreddies box under your jeans would be a change too. I’m not sure it would be a positive one.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,519
MalcSB said:
All not well in Europe,

EU farmers plan protests as Von der Leyen approves Mercosur trade deal

Deal objected to by France will, if ratified, cut tariffs on trade with Argentina, Brazil, Paraguay and Uruguay
www.theguardian.com
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Surely farmers protesting is the definition of business as usual in Europe?
 
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MalcSB

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,520
shmmeee said:
Surely farmers protesting is the definition of business as usual in Europe?
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Absolutely. The IHT protest in London would have been of an entirely different nature had it been the French (ignoring that it would have been in Paris).

It’s the reason for the unrest which is, perhaps, unusual. It’s not domestic and it’s the EU taking advantage of the governmental chaos in France. Making hay while the sun shines, if you like. Not conducive to long term serenity within the EU.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,521
shmmeee said:
Setting all your pants on fire and wearing a shreddies box under your jeans would be a change too. I’m not sure it would be a positive one.
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There’s nowt wrong with that.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,522
shmmeee said:
The reason we’re skint isn’t a few train drivers or MPs or immigrants getting more than you think, it’s because we’ve got a stagnant economy and a demographic time bomb like half the western world.
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That sounds like truss
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,523
PVA said:
In that case we best give the guys who fucked us over immeasurably for 14 years a go. It's about time they had a chance!
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If the Labour government were to fall it’d be more likely someone like Farage would get in, especially with all the talk of Musk looking at donating millions to Reform.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,524
MalcSB said:
Would have put up the additional rate of tax by 1% to 46% so he would have paid for it himself. And mine,
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That’s a take
 
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MalcSB

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,525
ccfcno9 said:
It's a good point if more paid in we'd but in a better position than we are, what I was trying to put across was that I support the case of those that can afford to give more should do so but I wouldn't exclude them on small gifts having paid over and above the contributions they've put in. For someone whose paid in millions to help others £300 is surely a drop in the ocean.
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That pretty much sums up how I feel about it. Paid a fortune in taxes last 5 years I worked. Stopping the WFP felt like quite a kick in the teeth. Kind of “thanks for your contribution but now just fuck off”.

I honestly wish there had been an option of not paying NI but making your own arrangements, health insurance and bigger personal pension. It’s just been a huge switch off for me, I’m afraid. It will have been for others as well.

Fuck you Starmer, you boomer gammon.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,526
MalcSB said:
That pretty much sums up how I feel about it. Paid a fortune in taxes last 5 years I worked. Stopping the WFP felt like quite a kick in the teeth. Kind of “thanks for your contribution but now just fuck off”.

I honestly wish there had been an option of not paying NI but making your own arrangements, health insurance and bigger personal pension. It’s just been a huge switch off for me, I’m afraid. It will have been for others as well.

Fuck you Starmer, you boomer gammon.
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Massive own goal
Easy solution to raise the figure it cuts off but no compassion it appears
That said many pensioners are very well off including my family
 

MalcSB

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,527
Sky Blue Pete said:
Massive own goal
Easy solution to raise the figure it cuts off but no compassion it appears
That said many pensioners are very well off including my family
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It’s the “about face” given what Starmer was saying before the election (the videos I posted).

Blaming it on a £22bn black hole which had come as a surprise. It’s bollocks, I found a pre election House of Commons exchange where he is challenging Sunak about a £46bn black hole. Any surprise re a black hole would have been that it was less than half what he had previously claimed. Except it wasn’t, In reality it was nowhere near £22bn according to the OBR.
 

MalcSB

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,528
Sky Blue Pete said:
Massive own goal
Easy solution to raise the figure it cuts off but no compassion it appears
That said many pensioners are very well off including my family
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But not all Pete.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,529
MalcSB said:
But not all Pete.
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Of course
 
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wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,530
Sky Blue Pete said:
Of course
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Like I said there is a possibility of getting the aid through the local authority, postcode I guess or even stricter?
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,531
wingy said:
Like I said there is a possibility of getting the aid through the local authority, postcode I guess or even stricter?
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Just received invite from Coventry South MP to do some door knocking to encourage pensioners to sign up so they can get the help
Worth a few hours of anyone’s time I reckon
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,532
Sky Blue Pete said:
That sounds like truss
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I mean the diagnosis isn’t particularly novel or unknown. Truss thought giving tax breaks would somehow fix inherent infrastructure problems for some reason. Possibly because she’s batshit.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,533
Sick Boy said:
If the Labour government were to fall it’d be more likely someone like Farage would get in, especially with all the talk of Musk looking at donating millions to Reform.
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Cant see it if im honest. They don’t have the local concentration or party machinery. Even that poll that has them above Labour would only give them about 60 seats. They need the Tories.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,534
shmmeee said:
Cant see it if im honest. They don’t have the local concentration or party machinery. Even that poll that has them above Labour would only give them about 60 seats. They need the Tories.
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They’ll win
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,535
MalcSB said:
That pretty much sums up how I feel about it. Paid a fortune in taxes last 5 years I worked. Stopping the WFP felt like quite a kick in the teeth. Kind of “thanks for your contribution but now just fuck off”.

I honestly wish there had been an option of not paying NI but making your own arrangements, health insurance and bigger personal pension. It’s just been a huge switch off for me, I’m afraid. It will have been for others as well.

Fuck you Starmer, you boomer gammon.
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So who would you vote for at the next GE? Your options seem to be limited given pensioners is clearly your hill to die on and given Mel Stride (shadow chancellor) said just the other day that the triple lock is unsustainable so bye bye triple lock which is surely more damaging to pensioners than means testing WFP’s. Lib Dam’s?
 

MalcSB

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,536
skybluetony176 said:
So who would you vote for at the next GE? Your options seem to be limited given pensioners is clearly your hill to die on and given Mel Stride (shadow chancellor) said just the other day that the triple lock is unsustainable so bye bye triple lock which is surely more damaging to pensioners than means testing WFP’s. Lib Dam’s?
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Far to early to decide yet. I will take a view on the manifestos and who is more likely to keep to what they say. Or at least who is saying stuff which will benefit me and others similar.

Preferably a woke free zone. I'm getting sick of a vocal tiny minority dictating to the silent majority.

As I am a pensioner, it is almost certainly the hill which I will, literally, die on.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,537
Sky Blue Pete said:
Just received invite from Coventry South MP to do some door knocking to encourage pensioners to sign up so they can get the help
Worth a few hours of anyone’s time I reckon
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I've already signed up!! And you didn't even have to knock on my door.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,538
MalcSB said:
Far to early to decide yet.
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Were you not in favour of the petition to call a general election immediately? Surely for there to be any point in calling a general election mere months after the last one you need to have a strong viable alternative in mind?
 
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MalcSB

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,539
chiefdave said:
Were you not in favour of the petition to call a general election immediately? Surely for there to be any point in calling a general election mere months after the last one you need to have a strong viable alternative in mind?
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Be fair, many people wanted just to get rid of the Tories and not because they saw Starmer as some superior political being.

I was in favour of the petition, albeit not genuinely expecting a GE to follow. However, if it had, Labours huge majority would have probably melted and a lesson might have been learnt. The petition was a "shot across the bows". The debate on 6 January 2025 will be interesting to watch.

Parliament will debate this petition​

Parliament will debate this petition on 6 January 2025.

You'll be able to watch online on the UK Parliament YouTube channel
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,540
MalcSB said:
I will take a view on the manifestos and who is more likely to keep to what they say.
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Yeah good luck with that. Not sure how you’ve managed to get to pension age without realising that non of them ever deliver their manifesto and none of them ever will.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,541
shmmeee said:
Cant see it if im honest. They don’t have the local concentration or party machinery. Even that poll that has them above Labour would only give them about 60 seats. They need the Tories.
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I mean if they were to actually benefit from the £100M or whatever it is that Musk is talking about.
 

shmmeee

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,542
Sick Boy said:
I mean if they were to actually benefit from the £100M or whatever it is that Musk is talking about.
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Maybe. I think the Tories have to collapse and I’m just not sure that’ll happen. Interesting times though. I also expect Labour to see through the plans to limit donations to £100k per organisation with some urgency and to get cross bench support for it because of Musk.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,543
Sky Blue Pete said:
They’ll win
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The popular vote? Maybe. It depends how the remaining Tories break.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,544
Sick Boy said:
I mean if they were to actually benefit from the £100M or whatever it is that Musk is talking about.
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I’m old enough to remember when we had to leave the EU to stop foreigners meddling with what happens in the UK.
 

Ian1779

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,545
MalcSB said:
Preferably a woke free zone. I'm getting sick of a vocal tiny minority dictating to the silent majority.
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This doesn’t even make any sense. Absolute babble.
 
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PVA

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  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,546
MalcSB said:
The petition was a "shot across the bows".
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It really wasn't.

19 million people voted for someone other than Labour. So 3 million people saying afterwards they don't like this Labour government is hardly surprising or anything to put any credence to whatsoever.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,547
Is this real?

 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,548
skybluetony176 said:
Yeah good luck with that. Not sure how you’ve managed to get to pension age without realising that non of them ever deliver their manifesto and none of them ever will.
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I’ll just go with a wild card then.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,549
Nick said:
Is this real?

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One person walking disaster area. No need to build on the green belt, no need to rip up planning laws - “ there are plenty of houses”

Its beyond parody and satire.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 8, 2024
  • #46,550
Nick said:
Is this real?

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Looks real, if incredible, to me.

They seem to be wheeling Rayner out for media duties at every opportunity. Are they trying to finish her political career?
 
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