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MalcSB

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  • Nov 25, 2024
  • #45,851
shmmeee said:
The Tory complaints today are virtually identical to the ones in 1997.
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I genuinely don’t remember. I voted Labour that year.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 25, 2024
  • #45,852
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Diet is much more significant than exercise.
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sorry to drag this back up but for BSB, or anyone else who was involved in the debate, there's a good doc on BBC 2 tonight about this subject.

Irresistible: Why We Can’t Stop Eating

Chris van Tulleken takes a personal view at why ultra-processed foods are so irresistible and how they have come to dominate food culture.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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Ian1779

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  • Nov 25, 2024
  • #45,853
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Nov 25, 2024
  • #45,854
Ian1779 said:
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They sell them in Iceland!
 
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SBT

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  • Nov 25, 2024
  • #45,855
Nick said:
They sell them in Iceland!
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Yeah but we want them in the UK m8
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 25, 2024
  • #45,856
MalcSB said:
Why does she need a subscription to The Economist? It’s not as if she is one.
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If only she had the sterling economic CV of her predecessor

 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 25, 2024
  • #45,857
MalcSB said:
I genuinely don’t remember. I voted Labour that year.
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“they’re crazy socialists who are enacting class war”

“the minimum wage/NI hike will destroy the economy”

etc etc etc
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 25, 2024
  • #45,858
So tonight I was in the company of people who said that inflation was high because of ‘all the money we spend on translators for those fucking Muslims and golliwogs’.

I can’t remember a time when overt racists have felt so emboldened. If you challenge it you’re called woke, if you stay silent the racism goes unchallenged. I chose to be called woke.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 25, 2024
  • #45,859
Ian1779 said:
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I don't think it goes far enough, bring them back free of the restrictions on salt and with plenty of MSG
 
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nicksar

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  • Nov 25, 2024
  • #45,860
Brighton Sky Blue said:
golliwogs’
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I haven't heard that word used for years.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 25, 2024
  • #45,861
nicksar said:
I haven't heard that word used for years.
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He was in his later years shall we say.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,862
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So tonight I was in the company of people who said that inflation was high because of ‘all the money we spend on translators for those fucking Muslims and golliwogs’.

I can’t remember a time when overt racists have felt so emboldened. If you challenge it you’re called woke, if you stay silent the racism goes unchallenged. I chose to be called woke.
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They genuinely believe this shit. They think we’re broke cos we spend it on DEI and translators not cos we have a metric fuck ton of pensioners.

The takeover of right wing meme pages from proper news is having some wild effects. Look at the state of some in this thread. Just ten years ago they’d have been quietly ignored as they rant in the corner of the pub.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,863
shmmeee said:
They genuinely believe this shit. They think we’re broke cos we spend it on DEI and translators not cos we have a metric fuck ton of pensioners.

The takeover of right wing meme pages from proper news is having some wild effects. Look at the state of some in this thread. Just ten years ago they’d have been quietly ignored as they rant in the corner of the pub.
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DEI was also part of this guy’s rant along with the need to fire 60,000 civil servants. He assumed he was in company who all agreed with him, which to be fair he almost was
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,864
Employment Rights Bill - not fit for purpose

Employment Rights Bill: RPC opinion (red-rated)

Regulatory Policy Committee’s opinion on the impact assessments (IA) for the Employment Rights Bill.
www.gov.uk
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,865
Brighton Sky Blue said:
DEI was also part of this guy’s rant along with the need to fire 60,000 civil servants. He assumed he was in company who all agreed with him, which to be fair he almost was
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It’s just American social media brain worms.

Look at Musk promising to cut a trillion dollars of spending by sacking a few staff and cancelling the odd research project. Just fundamentally unserious but eaten up by those with brain rot on Twitter.

I still think Brexit being so shit has put a bit of a bulwark against mental ideas taking hold from the internet, but we’re still on the same track.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,866
Starmer 25 November 2024

Speaking to ITV, Sir Keir said: "Look, I remind myself that very many people didn't vote Labour at the last election.

"I'm not surprised that many of them want a rerun. That isn't how our system works."

Starmer 5 July 2024

Sir Keir Starmer has promised to build a "government of service" after becoming the UK's first Labour prime minister since 2010.

Speaking outside 10 Downing Street after his party's landslide election win, he pledged to restore trust in politics and “navigate away to calmer waters”.

And appealing directly to voters who did not back his party, he vowed to put “country first" and govern “unburdened by doctrine”.

Not taken him long to show that those who didn’t vote Labour are of no real concern to him, despite his slippery lies back in July.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,867
MalcSB said:
Starmer 25 November 2024

Speaking to ITV, Sir Keir said: "Look, I remind myself that very many people didn't vote Labour at the last election.

"I'm not surprised that many of them want a rerun. That isn't how our system works."

Starmer 5 July 2024

Sir Keir Starmer has promised to build a "government of service" after becoming the UK's first Labour prime minister since 2010.

Speaking outside 10 Downing Street after his party's landslide election win, he pledged to restore trust in politics and “navigate away to calmer waters”.

And appealing directly to voters who did not back his party, he vowed to put “country first" and govern “unburdened by doctrine”.

Not taken him long to show that those who didn’t vote Labour are of no real concern to him, despite his slippery lies back in July.
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The arsehole Tory governments of yore didn’t give a shit about those who didn’t vote for them either. The difference is this Labour government appears to give a shit about the mythical floating Daily Mail reader and nobody else
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,868
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The arsehole Tory governments of yore didn’t give a shit about those who didn’t vote for them either. The difference is this Labour government appears to give a shit about the mythical floating Daily Mail reader and nobody else
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He has said one thing and is doing something quite different, having set himself out to be morally and politically superior to his predecessors. He is now demonstrating very early on that it was bollocks and that he is a duplicitous snake.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,869
Ian1779 said:
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Didn’t get to 2.5 million signatories, waste of time.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,870
MalcSB said:
He has said one thing and is doing something quite different, having set himself out to be morally and politically superior to his predecessors. He is now demonstrating very early on that it was bollocks and that he is a duplicitous snake.
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From where I’m standing he isn’t doing anything meaningful whatsoever. Tinker around the edges and pave the way for Farage ‘29
 
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shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,871
MalcSB said:
Employment Rights Bill - not fit for purpose

Employment Rights Bill: RPC opinion (red-rated)

Regulatory Policy Committee’s opinion on the impact assessments (IA) for the Employment Rights Bill.
www.gov.uk
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Reading that I’m surprised at both the claims and the fact the government couldn’t present sufficient evidence to counter them.

No evidence of an imbalance between workers and employers? No evidence of businesses firing people in the first two years unreasonably? You can disagree about whether these things are ideal but
MalcSB said:
Starmer 25 November 2024

Speaking to ITV, Sir Keir said: "Look, I remind myself that very many people didn't vote Labour at the last election.

"I'm not surprised that many of them want a rerun. That isn't how our system works."

Starmer 5 July 2024

Sir Keir Starmer has promised to build a "government of service" after becoming the UK's first Labour prime minister since 2010.

Speaking outside 10 Downing Street after his party's landslide election win, he pledged to restore trust in politics and “navigate away to calmer waters”.

And appealing directly to voters who did not back his party, he vowed to put “country first" and govern “unburdened by doctrine”.

Not taken him long to show that those who didn’t vote Labour are of no real concern to him, despite his slippery lies back in July.
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You think taking people who didn’t vote for you seriously is listening to a faction of them asking for a new government after five minutes?

You used to be a serious poster.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,872
shmmeee said:
You think taking people who didn’t vote for you seriously is listening to a faction of them asking for a new government after five minutes?
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It is right to not take that request seriously, but it should be ‘iceberg right ahead’ for Starmer. He isn’t using his mandate to do anything that will make a significant difference to people.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,873
chiefdave said:
Sure it wasn't long ago that Sweden was being presented on this thread as a country about to implode as the result of out of control immigration
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shmmeee said:
Would be very funny if EU countries crack down on immigration and Brexit Britain doesn’t.


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The damage immigration has done to Sweden is staggering. To see them now actually trying to clear it up demonstrates what a mess they got themselves into.

Next time you go to Stockholm, step outside of Gamla Stan and go an have a real walk around. Biskopsgården in Gothenburg (about a kilometre from where I used to live) is another place more representative on what living in a city there is like now. It's third word.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,874
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The damage immigration has done to Sweden is staggering. To see them now actually trying to clear it up demonstrates what a mess they got themselves into.

Next time you go to Stockholm, step outside of Gamla Stan and go an have a real walk around. Biskopsgården in Gothenburg (about a kilometre from where I used to live) is another place more representative on what living in a city there is like now. It's third word.
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Would be quite the money spinner, receive £25k for emigrating back out, come back again, rinse and repeat
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,875
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It is right to not take that request seriously, but it should be ‘iceberg right ahead’ for Starmer. He isn’t using his mandate to do anything that will make a significant difference to people.
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Other than pensioners, obviously.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,876
shmmeee said:
Reading that I’m surprised at both the claims and the fact the government couldn’t present sufficient evidence to counter them.

No evidence of an imbalance between workers and employers? No evidence of businesses firing people in the first two years unreasonably? You can disagree about whether these things are ideal but


You think taking people who didn’t vote for you seriously is listening to a faction of them asking for a new government after five minutes?

You used to be a serious poster.
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Me? Serious?

Just like when you used to defend the council back in Wasps days. (IIRC).

Do you think the RPC‘s view that the bill is not fit for purpose is meaningless? That the claims have arisen and not been countered by government evidence is surely indicative of a lack of the competence which was expected by many posters here.
 
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SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,877
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
The damage immigration has done to Sweden is staggering. To see them now actually trying to clear it up demonstrates what a mess they got themselves into.

Next time you go to Stockholm, step outside of Gamla Stan and go an have a real walk around. Biskopsgården in Gothenburg (about a kilometre from where I used to live) is another place more representative on what living in a city there is like now. It's third word.
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Ive been going to Gothenburg on business at least once a year for about 14 years. The decline is obvious. Talk to people who live there and they'll tell you that their beautiful country and culture has been destroyed.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,878
Brighton Sky Blue said:
From where I’m standing he isn’t doing anything meaningful whatsoever. Tinker around the edges and pave the way for Farage ‘29
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He certainly isn’t behaving in a manner morally or politically superior to the previous government, he does look very nice in his freebie suits and specs whilst he is piling on the carbon as he jets around the world though.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,879
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So tonight I was in the company of people who said that inflation was high because of ‘all the money we spend on translators for those fucking Muslims and golliwogs’.

I can’t remember a time when overt racists have felt so emboldened. If you challenge it you’re called woke, if you stay silent the racism goes unchallenged. I chose to be called woke.
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You’re so right
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,880
MalcSB said:
He certainly isn’t behaving in a manner morally or politically superior to the previous government, he does look very nice in his freebie suits and specs whilst he is piling on the carbon as he jets around the world though.
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Wife and I have given up on them doing anything to help during their one term in power. Might well not bother voting at all next time, governments at best do not help and at worst make things actively worse.
 

nicksar

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,881
SIR ERNIE said:
Ive been going to Gothenburg on business at least once a year for about 14 years. The decline is obvious. Talk to people who live there and they'll tell you that their beautiful country and culture has been destroyed.
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My eldest Step-Son is the Project manager for a Swiss company,he covers the UK and Scandinavia,goes to Gothenburg every couple of months.
His company wanted him (and his family) to be based there,he refused because it's a dangerous place these days.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,882
Brighton Sky Blue said:
From where I’m standing he isn’t doing anything meaningful whatsoever. Tinker around the edges and pave the way for Farage ‘29
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Same and the uproar is huge
Imagine if he was doing some social justice big ideas
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,883
MalcSB said:
Other than pensioners, obviously.
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Do you agree it shouldn’t be given to everyone?
 

Marty

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,884
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Would be quite the money spinner, receive £25k for emigrating back out, come back again, rinse and repeat
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Not sure why they need to offer them money, if governments don't want them there any more then just get them sent home, all criminals should automatically be deported, no matter how low level the crime or risks they face back home.
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 26, 2024
  • #45,885
shmmeee said:
Reading that I’m surprised at both the claims and the fact the government couldn’t present sufficient evidence to counter them.

No evidence of an imbalance between workers and employers? No evidence of businesses firing people in the first two years unreasonably? You can disagree about whether these things are ideal but
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They can't have looked very hard. I could give them examples of both of those just from the company I currently work at!
 
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