Ian1779
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Courses charging 9K a year and only offering 6 hours face to face tuition a week….
Courses charging 9K a year and only offering 6 hours face to face tuition a week….There seems to be a hell of a lot of Nigerian students in the UK, Coventry University in particular. Not really sure how that works, or who's paying for it.
The education system in the UK is terrible at university level anyway. I got a degree whilst working a full time job and going out about four nights a week. Seems a lot more serious in many places on the continent.
Got more than that doing HNC.Courses charging 9K a year and only offering 6 hours face to face tuition a week….
Ist increase in 8 year.And the NIC increase looks set to cost universities £370m, so I guess that answers your question @Grendel
The UK university system is world class and that’s why people will pay top dollar for it. Which answers your first question: the students are paying for it. Go and look in the car park at Cov uni if you want to know if foreign students have money (they do).
World class at the top. A lot of the rest of the tail is total shite.
Still not sure who's paying for a lot of these students. You've got some very rich foreigner's no doubt, but there's some question marks. I know a lot of the Nigerian students are working full time whilst they're on students visas.
Compared to what exactly? A mid tier uni where?
The top end certainly is but you're not going to convince me that people who are doing courses where they only have to attend for 4 or 5 hours a week are getting a world class education.The UK university system is world class and that’s why people will pay top dollar for it.
The top end certainly is but you're not going to convince me that people who are doing courses where they only have to attend for 4 or 5 hours a week are getting a world class education.
Further education has become a business and like any business they had the ups where thousands of people were being convinced it was a good idea to spend thousands on courses that wouldn't increase their chances of a job at the end of it but now they're experiencing the downs.
As always someone else is expected to provide the bail out.
All I can say is from personal experience from someone who went to a pretty mid uni that the course was a piece of piss. The last year of cheaper fees but would be a joke to say it was worth 9k now. There were genuinely a lot of other students who were extremely stupid as well.
My missus went to a mid uni in Slovakia and the work they had to put in was about 5-10x harder than what I had to do.
The best university in Slovakia ranks just below Manchester Met: https://www.usnews.com/education/be...urope&country=slovakia&country=united-kingdom
We have a wide offering including easier courses perhaps like yours. That doesn’t change that we have some of the best unis on the planet and numerous high quality courses in various unis.
Courses charging 9K a year and only offering 6 hours face to face tuition a week….
Exactly, you’ve got to wonder where all the monies going !!! A lot of universities need to sort their shit out and stop blaming everyone else
At the moment some students get world class tuition in useful subjects after which they’ll earn a fortune. Some pay exactly the same price for a turd degree where they come out tens of thousands in debt and no better off academically.
Do you think Phoebe realises that is what is happening?We went over this before. If you don’t over charge for Phoebe’s History course you can’t undercharge for Ramesh’s Engineering degree.
Ultimately if the product isn’t worth it people won’t do it, but essentially Humanities degrees are a method of taxing the stupid to subsidise STEM students. Not smart enough for Pure Maths? You can still read Classics. And enough stupid people want a degree for status the system works. Whether that’s Boris Johnson at Oxbridge or a kid doing Media Studies at Northampton.
There’s a reason this anti education backlash is against the sort of unis working class people go to and not PPE at Oxford and it’s not about educational quality. When the rich stop sending their kids to Uni to read History, then I’ll have some sympathy.
Not to defend them but they've changed leadership since thenWhat happened?
Harsh one of the most intelligent people I know studied classics and writes booksWe went over this before. If you don’t over charge for Phoebe’s History course you can’t undercharge for Ramesh’s Engineering degree.
Ultimately if the product isn’t worth it people won’t do it, but essentially Humanities degrees are a method of taxing the stupid to subsidise STEM students. Not smart enough for Pure Maths? You can still read Classics. And enough stupid people want a degree for status the system works. Whether that’s Boris Johnson at Oxbridge or a kid doing Media Studies at Northampton.
There’s a reason this anti education backlash is against the sort of unis working class people go to and not PPE at Oxford and it’s not about educational quality. When the rich stop sending their kids to Uni to read History, then I’ll have some sympathy.
I wonder where they thought £30 billion per year would come from?
There are some shit degrees, not sure that Classics is one of them. Not sure what value it is though.Harsh one of the most intelligent people I know studied classics and writes books
Number 2 on Starmer's pledges when running for leadership:Not to defend them but they've changed leadership since then
Support the abolition of tuition fees and invest in lifelong learning.
There's also entire industries that now count a large percentage of their workforce as unpaid interns.There are some shit degrees
It’s totally unrealistic for all degrees. Medicine and nursing should be fee free though, but with a contract to work in the NHS for a defined period.Number 2 on Starmer's pledges when running for leadership:
It’s totally unrealistic for all degrees. Medicine and nursing should be fee free though, but with a contract to work in the NHS for a defined period.
Harsh one of the most intelligent people I know studied classics and writes books
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Books-Jamie-Dow/s?rh=n:266239,p_27:Jamie+Dow&tag=skblta-21They may be smart but economically they’d probably been just as productive without uni.
Any shortage area or career that requires a degree should be free or heavily subsidised.It’s totally unrealistic for all degrees. Medicine and nursing should be fee free though, but with a contract to work in the NHS for a defined period.
It’s totally unrealistic for all degrees. Medicine and nursing should be fee free though, but with a contract to work in the NHS for a defined period.
So where does the £30 billion come from? In reality.It is not totally unrealistic at all, it was realistic for many many years only changing in 2003. The idea that learning must be viewed purely through the lens of notional economic value will be to this country's long term detriment.
It is not totally unrealistic at all, it was realistic for many many years only changing in 2003. The idea that learning must be viewed purely through the lens of notional economic value will be to this country's long term detriment.
It comes from the same place as every other £ spent,So where does the £30 billion come from? In reality.
It is free in Scotland but look at the shit state that country is in under the SNP.
I could totally support free or heavily discounted tuition for essential subjects, mainly STEM and education. That would be about it.
Hardly, government funds £27k for some degree level apprenticeship standards which are not repayable. It funds nothing for a degree.Making kids feel that getting a substandard degree is better than going down apprenticeship/vocational training route has already been to this country’s long term detriment.
Who is this actually good for? The only audience who welcomes this state of affairs are spiteful cunts imo
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The spite coming from the current group of elected representatives of which most benefited from free university tuition.Judging by the attitudes people seem to have it is "they will be on 80k, they can afford it".
Like you say, it's spite.
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