Ring Of Steel
Well-Known Member
But as we are now discovering they were the wisest.
The main age bracket voting to remain was 18 to 24 - hardly the most experienced in the country
The UK could have retained a customs union and / or remained a member of the single market without being an EU member. Without going over tired old ground, the remain campaign disastrously went for a all or nothing approach and it got nowhere.
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Ah, diddums.
But as we are now discovering they were the wisest.
Never under estimate the cost of the covid expense for the UK government of the day.
I believe the figure was 400billion. To put this into context the so called austerity period was "designed" to save a mere 40billion.
Labour bang on about Conservative mismanagement of the economy but they wished to lock down harder & for longer. They probably would have racked up even more debt over the period
The economy has been destroyed by covid , not Brexit imo.
oh look - I thought you hadn’t the time to be on this thread. How’s Labour doing for you?
You got that response because I am pissed of with you getting hysterical and throwing your toys out if your pram whilst spouting utter bollocks.And that reaction in a nutshell is exactly why there’s no sympathy and bitterness from younger generations.
Now they can say
Winter fuel payments? Cut down on Netflix and avocados - they’ll be then be able to afford it.
get rid of the TV - the licence is £150 a year. That’s the same as the WFP.
Covid is absolutely a huge part. Didn’t help with the faulty PPE companies being set up by their mates either.
Brexit has also shrunk the economy by 6% which is around 140 billion a year apparently. So Brexit has absolutely shit on the economy
You got that response because I am pissed of with you getting hysterical and throwing your toys out if your pram whilst spouting utter bollocks.
Did you share all this shit with your grandad before or after he helped you buy your house?
You have and will continue to vote for what you believe in - as does everybody else.
The *Remain* campaign went all or nothing?
Ah yes I remember Eddie Izzard walking the streets with a “Brexit Means Brexit” placard.
Yeah of course I did - but then he realised not to fall for the daily mail bullshit on immigration and voted to remain.You got that response because I am pissed of with you getting hysterical and throwing your toys out if your pram whilst spouting utter bollocks.
Did you share all this shit with your grandad before or after he helped you buy your house?
You have and will continue to vote for what you believe in - as does everybody else.
So you disagree with the concept of democracy?I haven’t seen anyone getting hysterical, but I have seen you come out with the most immature & pathetic response yet to all the points being put forward
Obviously a very nice bloke.Yeah of course I did - but then he realised not to fall for the daily mail bullshit on immigration and voted to remain.
Also part of his reasoning to give me my deposit early. Given the problems I would
Have been facing
So you disagree with the concept of democracy?
So you disagree with the concept of democracy?
I haven’t seen anyone getting hysterical, but I have seen you come out with the most immature & pathetic response yet to all the points being put forward
Fair enough, both campaigns in general took up polarised positions and fucked it for everybody.
So you disagree with the concept of democracy?
Oh dear. The mask is slipping.
The centrist hacks have got what they wanted and they do not like it
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Democracy is fine - i have to accept the results. Doesn’t mean I can’t hold the electorate accountable when things go as expectedSo you disagree with the concept of democracy?
Ahh. The memories of the “out means out” chanting from the remain camp. I think they coined “we know what we voted for” and “we hold all the cards because of French cheese” phrases too.The UK could have retained a customs union and / or remained a member of the single market without being an EU member. Without going over tired old ground, the remain campaign disastrously went for an all or nothing approach and it got nowhere.
Ahh. The memories of the “out means out” chanting from the remain camp. I think they coined “we know what we voted for” and “we hold all the cards because of French cheese” phrases too.
I’m sure I must be remembering that right from your claims.
Well, a government getting elected by 20% of the electorate hardly has a genuine mandate, does it.You mean like a government getting elected mostly by the young with a mandate to soak the asset rich and invest in the young?
Well, a government getting elected by 20% of the electorate hardly has a genuine mandate, does it.
It’s obviously working though. Everyone else who has done that Guardian budget calculator and reported it on here seem to be around £1,000 better off whereas I am a loaf of bread per month worse off.
Ha ha.I agree, he was relatively reasonable up until that point, when the true colours started to show.
Ha ha.
TBH I just got sick of the repeated sob story and generalisation over and over again. It is hysteria.
I don’t know anyone who owns more than the property they live in.
The issue seems to be availability of affordable housing as starter homes which are of no interest to the average boomer.
Students are the problem. There are now 2,940,000 of them in the UK, of which over 600,000 are from abroad. The number of accepted applicants increased by 86% between 1994 and 2023. Non-EU overseas students have increased by 507%.
They all need somehere to live and I’ve seen enough complaining on here and other media about how swathes of properties are being converted in to student accommodation.
Just an alternate view. Your observation makes me wonder why people were moaning about residential properties being converted in to student accommodation / HMOs.2.3m of them would need somewhere to live otherwise. Students often live in large halls of residence or in shared housing, what pressure are they really putting on the housing market?
Ha ha.
TBH I just got sick of the repeated sob story and generalisation over and over again. It is hysteria.
I don’t know anyone who owns more than the property they live in.
The issue seems to be availability of affordable housing as starter homes which are of no interest to the average boomer.
Students are the problem. There are now 2,940,000 of them in the UK, of which over 600,000 are from abroad. The number of accepted applicants increased by 86% between 1994 and 2023. Non-EU overseas students have increased by 507%.
They all need somehere to live and I’ve seen enough complaining on here and other media about how swathes of properties are being converted in to student accommodation. I’m sure boomer students are in a minority.
I'm only about £100 better off according to that calculator.Well, a government getting elected by 20% of the electorate hardly has a genuine mandate, does it.
It’s obviously working though. Everyone else who has done that Guardian budget calculator and reported it on here seem to be around £1,000 better off whereas I am a loaf of bread per month worse off.
There has also been a lot of large student living apartments built to cater for the students and depending on who you listen to there is supposedly now an excess of student accommodation. Whether any of those HMO's will ever come back onto the market as family homes remains to be seen.Ha ha.
TBH I just got sick of the repeated sob story and generalisation over and over again. It is hysteria.
I don’t know anyone who owns more than the property they live in.
The issue seems to be availability of affordable housing as starter homes which are of no interest to the average boomer.
Students are the problem. There are now 2,940,000 of them in the UK, of which over 600,000 are from abroad. The number of accepted applicants increased by 86% between 1994 and 2023. Non-EU overseas students have increased by 507%.
They all need somehere to live and I’ve seen enough complaining on here and other media about how swathes of properties are being converted in to student accommodation. I’m sure boomer students are in a minority.
Hang on to it, you will need itI'm only about £100 better off according to that calculator.
TBH I have seen many, many very large scale building developments around the couple of places I have lived over the past 6 years or so and I am sure there are quite a few boomers in those areas. Obviously not terribly successful at stopping such developments.There has also been a lot of large student living apartments built to cater for the students and depending on who you listen to there is supposedly now an excess of student accommodation. Whether any of those HMO's will ever come back onto the market as family homes remains to be seen.
As for the issue being availability of affordable housing and starter homes being of no interest to the average boomer, the vast majority of complaints and campaigns to stop the building of such homes are by boomers, so even though they supposedly have no interest in them they seem to have a very large interest in stopping them.
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