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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (14 Viewers)

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shmmeee

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,221
MalcSB said:
Rents will only get higher with additional costs and legislation/ regulation - as well as people disposing of their portfolios.
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It’s a tiny impact compared to the supply issue.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,222
shmmeee said:
It’s a tiny impact compared to the supply issue.
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Or the demand issue,
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,223
MalcSB said:
Or the demand issue,
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Can’t change that though, at least not significantly and not quickly. Unlike supply.

No one seriously has a “reduce the population” plan. Are we kicking out residents or implementing a one child policy?
 

MalcSB

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,224
Ring Of Steel said:
In the interests of fairness and another little point to show this is not about “hating OAPs”, I interview a lot of people, and I find the younger people applying to be.. delicate, demanding and lots of them kinda do my head in with the social media culture I do feel that they are inheriting a very raw deal, that’s all.
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research reveals that 52% of Gen Z professionals are intentionally avoiding management positions. Interestingly, a significant 69% perceive middle management as a role characterized by high-stress levels and minimal rewards,
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,225
Also immigration isn’t the only demand driver. A huge amount of the issues in the south east are internal migration from the north cos there’s no jobs anywhere else and family dynamics changing so there’s more single households (shout out the divorced dads).
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,226
MalcSB said:
research reveals that 52% of Gen Z professionals are intentionally avoiding management positions. Interestingly, a significant 69% perceive middle management as a role characterized by high-stress levels and minimal rewards,
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Who the fuck is hiring Zoomer managers?
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,227
MalcSB said:
research reveals that 52% of Gen Z professionals are intentionally avoiding management positions. Interestingly, a significant 69% perceive middle management as a role characterized by high-stress levels and minimal rewards,
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That’s interesting- I can identify, I get paid what I do not for ability but for the amount of shit I can deal with without folding
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 31, 2024
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Very rich man who bought a farm purely for the tax dodge and has said as much isn’t happy with the budget. Sounds like a win to me.

 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,229
Ring Of Steel said:
That’s interesting- I can identify, I get paid what I do not for ability but for the amount of shit I can deal with without folding
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That’s an ability.
 
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Ring Of Steel

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,230
shmmeee said:
That’s an ability.
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Fair point.. I’d rather have been born with innate musical or sporting ability tbf
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,231
MalcSB said:
research reveals that 52% of Gen Z professionals are intentionally avoiding management positions. Interestingly, a significant 69% perceive middle management as a role characterized by high-stress levels and minimal rewards,
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This is because it’s usually the level that gets redundant first.

on top of that it’s minimal pay for the added work load. It’s a no brainer. Now if the pay matched the effort required then maybe people would take them
 

rob9872

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,232
Ring Of Steel said:
That’s interesting- I can identify, I get paid what I do not for ability but for the amount of shit I can deal with without folding
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similar here and although I'm paid well, I am salary paid so for the hours I do it's probably not great (*unless you discount the hours I waste on fekkin Sky Blues Talk of course!)
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,233
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
That’s true, but then when you inevitably have a party geared towards them and not the working class it’s creates anger that the workers are being shafted time and time again.

Only to be told cut out the Netflix and avocados. It’s tone deaf ignoring the concerns of the people who pay their pensions.

the phrase “they’ve paid into their pensions all their life” is bollocks - you paid in for the previous generation not your own.

now the biggest voting block is being shafted it’s “won’t someone think of the pensioners” why should they when they’ve been sticking two fingers up to everyone else previously
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The pension is realised by NI credits do the pension anyone received is generated by the tax they have paid
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,234
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
This is because it’s usually the level that gets redundant first.

on top of that it’s minimal pay for the added work load. It’s a no brainer. Now if the pay matched the effort required then maybe people would take them
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In most low level jobs like retail it’s an absolute poisoned chalice.
 

chiefdave

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,235
all the tradespeople that are going to be out of a job when everyone starts doing everything themselves can go and work for minimum wage as cleaners, carers etc then we wouldn't need bloody foreigners to come over and do those jobs - problem solved!
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,236
rob9872 said:
similar here and although I'm paid well, I am salary paid so for the hours I do it's probably not great (*unless you discount the hours I waste on fekkin Sky Blues Talk of course!)
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that’s one thing I don’t do any more- I’m gone at 5 and I don’t spend a single second thinking about work after that..
 
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rob9872

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  • Oct 31, 2024
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shmmeee said:
In most low level jobs like retail it’s an absolute poisoned chalice.
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I think retail is brilliant for the young and I would encourage all of them to try it. I'm currently trying to persuade my daughter who is in sixth form to apply. Most won't want to forge a career in retailing, some will, but it's such a grounding for so many other jobs.

Apart from simple appreciation of work and responsibility, you have invaluable customer interaction, learn about cash, ledgers, stock replenishment, teamwork, sales, ordering, pricing, budgeting, margins so, so much at such a low introductory. It's like a small taster of everything. If the worst you get out of it is 'I never want to do any of that again' then it has still been invaluable.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,238
rob9872 said:
I think retail is brilliant for the young and I would encourage all of them to try it. I'm currently trying to persuade my daughter who is in sixth form to apply. Most won't want to forge a career in retailing, some will, but it's such a grounding for so many other jobs.

Apart from simple appreciation of work and responsibility, you have invaluable customer interaction, learn about cash, ledgers, stock replenishment, teamwork, sales, ordering, pricing, budgeting, margins so, so much at such a low introductory. It's like a small taster of everything. If the worst you get out of it is 'I never want to do any of that again' then it has still been invaluable.
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I liked working retail. But when I was offered a managerial role I said no because it was fuck all extra for a shit ton of having to herd cats.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,239
Grendel said:
The pension is realised by NI credits do the pension anyone received is generated by the tax they have paid
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The pot it’s drawn from isn’t the same pot you’ve paid into though is it. It’s drawn from the current NI Pot of the time.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,240
shmmeee said:
In most low level jobs like retail it’s an absolute poisoned chalice.
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Finance is the same. They create positions then realise 2 years later they don’t need them.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,241
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
The pot it’s drawn from isn’t the same pot you’ve paid into though is it. It’s drawn from the current NI Pot of the time.
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It doesn’t matter. Youve paid NI which is contribution to a state pension entitlement - there isn’t an NI pot at all - just tax revenue
 

rob9872

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,242
Grendel said:
It doesn’t matter. Youve paid NI which is contribution to a state pension entitlement - there isn’t an NI pot at all - just tax revenue
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Agree. Tbh I dont know why they dont just call it all Income tax and instead of 20+10 it's 30 and goes to the same pot. It would actually be a good way of increasing higher up. Move the middle band up but then call it 50 as currently it's only 42 based on not paying NI at the higher threshold. We got the drop to 10 but still pay the 2% above 50k. Make the band 70k and then charge 50 at that rate (or 28/48 from April)
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,243
rob9872 said:
Agree. Tbh I dont know why they dont just call it all Income tax and instead of 20+10 it's 30 and goes to the same pot. It would actually be a good way of increasing higher up. Move the middle band up but then call it 50 as currently it's only 42 based on not paying NI at the higher threshold. We got the drop to 10 but still pay the 2% above 50k. Make the band 70k and then charge 50 at that rate (or 28/48 from April)
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The only reason it exists is so they can make employers pay contributions as well
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,244
Grendel said:
It doesn’t matter. Youve paid NI which is contribution to a state pension entitlement - there isn’t an NI pot at all - just tax revenue
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Then that’s the same isn’t it? If they decide one day they’re not paying pensions that’s it. I’m paying in tax revenue which is in turn paying today’s pensioners.
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,245
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Finance is the same. They create positions then realise 2 years later they don’t need them.
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I hear you.. I’m FD and a fair chunk of my time is spent resisting pressure to create daft roles like “analyst” that will get automated in 6 mths flat resulting in the job going. The whole area will be AI in a few years, there’s literally nothing any human can do that AI can’t when it comes to finance.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,246
Twitter is a garbage fire but then you get exchanges like this that make it worth it.

 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,247
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Then that’s the same isn’t it? If they decide one day they’re not paying pensions that’s it. I’m paying in tax revenue which is in turn paying today’s pensioners.
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It isn’t the same at all as it’s a contract on retirement so as soon as you pay NI you are getting an entitlement on retirement age.

I also will again point out pensioners in the uk get a raw deal compared to European countries.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 31, 2024
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Grendel said:
It isn’t the same at all as it’s a contract on retirement so as soon as you pay NI you are getting an entitlement on retirement age.

I also will again point out pensioners in the uk get a raw deal compared to European countries.
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I’m not disagreeing with comparison to Europe. What I’m saying is if they drop pensions (extreme take) that’s it.

it isn’t a saved pot - it’s an entitlement to whatever the pot is at that point
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,249
Grendel said:
It isn’t the same at all as it’s a contract on retirement so as soon as you pay NI you are getting an entitlement on retirement age.

I also will again point out pensioners in the uk get a raw deal compared to European countries.
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Lol no. NI isn’t hypothecated. You pay tax, including NI, and you get benefits in the form of state pension etc. benefits may go up as well as down like any other benefits.

If what you said was true then you could make the same argument about literally any benefit (UC/PIP/etc).
 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,250
shmmeee said:
Lol no. NI isn’t hypothecated. You pay tax, including NI, and you get benefits in the form of state pension etc. benefits may go up as well as down like any other benefits.

If what you said was true then you could make the same argument about literally any benefit (UC/PIP/etc).
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The difference I can see is that there is a clear qualifying requirement to have paid in at least 10 years NICs for minimal pension and 35 years for full, so there is a form of contract there. AFAIK there is no qualifying contribution period for other benefits.
 

MalcSB

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,251
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
This is because it’s usually the level that gets redundant first.

on top of that it’s minimal pay for the added work load. It’s a no brainer. Now if the pay matched the effort required then maybe people would take them
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Don’t people need to have been in a middle management role in order to progress to senior management these days?
 

MalcSB

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,252
Ring Of Steel said:
that’s one thing I don’t do any more- I’m gone at 5 and I don’t spend a single second thinking about work after that..
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Lucky you
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,253
MalcSB said:
I used one on Guardian.

Budget 2024 calculator: find out if you are better or worse off

Use our interactive tool to see how you have been affected by the chancellor’s tax and spending announcements
www.theguardian.com

It would be interesting if it was possible to put the actual budget in to the "simulator" @shmmeee shared a little while ago to see whether Reeves got it as wrong as we all did
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Appears I am now on less than the minimum wage!
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,254
MalcSB said:
Don’t people need to have been in a middle management role in order to progress to senior management these days?
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Nah - a lot of senior managers tend to delegate these types of roles to lower roles. Means they can push the responsibility but not pay them correctly.

this is why the middle management role is often first to go in redundancies. I find that anyway.

once you got the experience you can apply elsewhere. These days there’s no benefit to remaining at the same company for years on end.

2-5 years then move on
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 31, 2024
  • #45,255
MalcSB said:
The difference I can see is that there is a clear qualifying requirement to have paid in at least 10 years NICs for minimal pension and 35 years for full, so there is a form of contract there. AFAIK there is no qualifying contribution period for other benefits.
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Think JSA and ESA have contribution requirements as well.
 
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