MalcSB
Well-Known Member
Precisely. The vast overwhelming majority of us have had to work to make a living.
Precisely. The vast overwhelming majority of us have had to work to make a living.But it is relentless - it’s Reeves go on Wednesday - I was a worker when I wasn’t retired
Precisely. The vast overwhelming majority of us have had to work to make a living.
Oh I agree I just dont remember this same energy when Truss obliterated the economy.It’s not my fault they are giving so many opportunities.
The inability to define a working person and how, after a lifetime working and paying significant sums in taxes, you suddenly become a fair target.What are you even on about now?
It must be very tiring to get this upset about random stuff every day.
I’m sure there was plenty of energy about these matters at the time. I’m also sure we’ll have plenty to look back on when this shower are no longer in Government.Oh I agree I just dont remember this same energy when Truss obliterated the economy.
Or 21 Billion `written off' in Covid fraud,
Or 200m gifted to Mone,
Or Elphicke convicted of 3 sex assaults etc etc etc
This Mail generated `scandal' is small potatoes mate- calm down you'll give yourself an ulcer
TrueIt’s the use of the word “appeared”. There is absolutely no doubt that the MP punched a bloke who had his hands in his pockets, and then continued to punch him as he cowered on the ground.
The inability to define a working person and how, after a lifetime working and paying significant sums in taxes, you suddenly become a fair target.
Mind you, from a bloke who can‘t define a woman this is hardly surprising.
The idea of working vs capitalist class was hardly invented by Kier Starmer this week. We didn’t have this when Osborne was talking about alarm clock Britain and strivers vs skivers.
Labours manifesto promise was not to never raise tax ever again. The finances are fucked. Someone’s tax needs to go up. This is just the latest in trying to stop that. Landlords and those living off assets are obviously a different class than someone working in Tesco but having an ISA or something.
It just all seems to lightweight. Do we accept taxes need to rise or not and if so where’s the best place to have those rises is a great question and sadly one I’ve not seen discussed at all in the media while supposedly professional journalists pretend to not know basic political definitions or customs.
Messaging should have been better in the outset, earned vs unearned income rather than the working people stuff.
Does anybody really think you should be taxed more on your regular wage than somebody is on a capital gain because the value of their asset has fluctuated?
That 14 year long car crash completely dwarves anything happening at the momentI’m sure there was plenty of energy about these matters at the time. I’m also sure we’ll have plenty to look back on when this shower are no longer in Government.
It wasn’t just one suit, and were they as cheap as £500 each?That 14 year long car crash completely dwarves anything happening at the moment
Mone effectively stealing Winter Fuel Allowance from a million British Pensioners - Silence
Starmer being gifted a £500 suit - Outrage!!
You do have a form of “social contract” though.Even if you believe in the myth of "paying into the system" all of your life, you haven't paid for the future publicly funded costs of your retirement years, you're paying for current retirees.
Government by focus group.Stamerer forced to row back already having leaked removal of the £2 bus fare cap - now replaced with £3 - just the 50% now
Stamerer forced to row back already having leaked removal of the £2 bus fare cap - now replaced with £3 - just the 50% now
Thing is shmmeee, he is not using the “class” terminology, he is saying working people and, as I think you said somewhere, the messaging is crap. As he can’t define working people he has now reverted to “they know who they are”.The idea of working vs capitalist class was hardly invented by Kier Starmer this week. We didn’t have this when Osborne was talking about alarm clock Britain and strivers vs skivers.
Labours manifesto promise was not to never raise tax ever again. The finances are fucked. Someone’s tax needs to go up. This is just the latest in trying to stop that. Landlords and those living off assets are obviously a different class than someone working in Tesco but having an ISA or something.
It just all seems to lightweight. Do we accept taxes need to rise or not and if so where’s the best place to have those rises is a great question and sadly one I’ve not seen discussed at all in the media while supposedly professional journalists pretend to not know basic political definitions or customs.
£3 is still pretty reasonable, if it had been scrapped it would have been a disaster for rural communities, and even mor so for pensioners living in those communities who are already £300 a year worse off.Inflation only 50%, bravo
Thing is shmmeee, he is not using the “class” terminology, he is saying working people and, as I think you said somewhere, the messaging is crap. As he can’t define working people he has now reverted to “they know who they are”.
Even people living off assets will be doing some work albeit different in nature to the work you do and the work I did I.e. they will be managing those assets whether they be a portfolio of rental properties or a portfolio of shares ( in truth the former is probably harder work than the latter). Your use of working and capital classes is clearer.
It wasn’t just one suit, and were they as cheap as £500 each?
i genuinely don’t recall Mone stealing Winter Fuel Allowance from anyone, could you point me to that please so I can be suitable outraged.
Personally I’ve always quite liked DNA as a starting point for discussion.It’s just a bollocks gotcha. It’s the inverse of “what is a woman” where you go “oh but this person has no womb are they still a woman? This one lost her vagina in an industrial accident what about her?”
We know he means he won’t raise worker NI IC or VAT and it’s just journos desperate for a gotcha. It’s just fundemntally unserious. We have known for over a year tax rises are needed. Labour have been consistent on the taxes they wouldn’t raise. Debate the choices by all means but focusing on “what’s a working person” the register of interests and the difference between a customs zone and a free port just all seems a bit desperate for something to whine about.
Under investigation being the operative term here, and when was she an MP or minister of the crown?She trousered £200m, delivered nothing for it, fled the country and is under investigation
Winter allowance £200 x 1 million pensioners = that £200 million
If you're getting your hair off over a couple of suits what does that warrant?
Stephen Yaxley-Lennon handed himself into police did he not?I see Tommy Robinson been imprisoned in Belmarsh whilst we still await the outcome of the 2 Pakistani guys who beat up the police and the Labour councillor who wanted his supporters to go round slashing throats.
Does that make it quicker?Stephen Yaxley-Lennon handed himself into police did he not?
Isn't this a hangover from when he was last here and didn't comply with bail conditions or something?Does that make it quicker?
Its not as if there is no clear damning video evidence in the other two cases.
Of course they are criminal cases which are far less important!!
Quick court case though wasn't itStephen Yaxley-Lennon handed himself into police did he not?
He admitted contempt of court after smearing a Syrian refugee and then not letting it go.Quick court case though wasn't it
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