It’s true that it takes different amounts of energy to digest food with different macronutrient composition. However-if my body burns a total of 2500 calories, and I eat 4000 calories, where does the extra energy go? Thin air?No. 100 calories of one food can be be very different to 100 calories of another food. How they’re made up, where they’re coming from- the days of just going by calories went out years ago, our knowledge is much better now. Counting calories is a waste (and a very nasty slog) unless you know how those calories are comprised. Modern & really successful methods don’t really even take calories into account too much. It’s good for mindset & discipline at the start, but once you’ve started & got a little momentum you really needn’t bother to track them.
Whenever you notice something like that...a wizard did itIt’s true that it takes different amounts of energy to digest food with different macronutrient composition. However-if my body burns a total of 2500 calories, and I eat 4000 calories, where does the extra energy go? Thin air?
Similarly, if I eat 1500, but need 2500 to do all my body needs to do, where does it get the missing energy from m?
Shmmee is talking society not personallyI see what Shmmeee is saying, about society enabling the causes of obesity but, as you say, you have to accept personal responsibility, and I say this as a fat guy.
I am fat because I drink too much fizzy pop, and I am trying to cut down on that, but it's my fault, no-one else's.
Wait, sorry, but I was talking about societal causes for obesity, but talking personally about personal responsibility.Shmmee is talking society not personally
Sorry I know your weren’t others were making it a little personalWait, sorry, but I was talking about societal causes for obesity, but talking personally about personal responsibility.
I wasn't trying to insinuate Shmmeee was talking personally as I don't know him. Hope that makes sense!
Right, gotcha. Sorry for any confusion.Sorry I know your weren’t others were making it a little personal
it’s a common thing where people think just cause they’ve sorted one area of their life they can point to others and say well you’re shit at that and then forget about the areas of their lives where they do struggle
There’s an old saying about don’t throw stones in glass houses that we should all remind ourselves of now and again
Because you'll turn into machines, not yet but if that's a solution then that's where we're heading as a race, but I'm not modern or going to be around to see it, I have a daughter and a step daughter and a sister in law who would all benifit from this, all have reduced the level to svelte figures, only to come back to this state it's heartbreaking to see, so I'm going to about face and say go get it, but the consequences are there and it's a journey that will come without control imo, but every generation ends up with this conclusion, it's called progress!Oh if an injection can massively help with weight loss which means people will overall be healthier / more active etc then why not roll it out?
If you’re willing to fund a lifetime of these injections to control the eating habits of hundreds of millions worldwide then sureOh if an injection can massively help with weight loss which means people will overall be healthier / more active etc then why not roll it out?
The excuses you're coming out with are mind boggling, just take ownership of it and make the changes necessary to lead a healthy life.
Also, It's cheap as anything to eat healthy. I know for a fact you can have something like porridge with milk and frozen fruits for about £3 a week. A dozen eggs are about the same price, throw in a few bits of veg for another £2, and you have healthy breakfasts for the whole week for a fiver or less. Both can be prepared in a microwave for 2 minutes. How much cheaper and easier do you want it to be?
If you’re willing to fund a lifetime of these injections to control the eating habits of hundreds of millions worldwide then sure
It's called the self denial event and a job in the construction game for me at least, where it appears you can eat any old shit half of the time although I can't get into a 30 waist anymore!?You are still to explain what event you think took place that made the whole developed world lazy and stupid at around the time the car took off.
Oh if an injection can massively help with weight loss which means people will overall be healthier / more active etc then why not roll it out?
Is this related to glaucoma in any way I wonder?It has huge potential side effects include in extreme cases blindness and cannot be used for type 2 diabetics
You are still to explain what event you think took place that made the whole developed world lazy and stupid at around the time the car took off.
Is this related to glaucoma in any way I wonder?
It's a cure all if we followed shhmmeee 's advice, fine get on with it!Sorry I phased wrongly - it’s originally a type 2 diabetic drug - it’s an appetite suppression drug. It has many potential side effects and I certainly wouldn’t want it on a long term basis
Dude. You’re talking to a life long fatso. How much will a lifetime supply of this drug cost for everyone who needs it?Because eating habits are the sign of a good strong personality!
The absolute shite that gets posted about weight on this site.
Yes. If we’ve developed a drug that extends life and saves the economy billions you try and roll out access to it. This isn’t fucking rocket science and if you could get over your disgust of fat people you wouldn’t even think twice about the answer.
Diet is much more significant than exercise.Exercise is the key to a lot of this. It doesn’t cost anyone anything other than time and as a country we seem to spend more and more of it on social media, I can’t imagine that it’s not available for most (appreciate not all)
I get all the comments like Dave’s about multi billion dollar industries forcing crap down peoples throats and agree, it’s not easy to avoid, but until there’s more personal responsibility for people’s own health then things won’t change/will get worse
The jabs are great (they do appear to be miracle drugs) to get those people who have got too big moving again/allow people to be more active, but after that people have got to look at sensible diet and exercise. Anyone going on them should be getting some kind of leaflet with guides etc about healthier lifestyle to work in conjunction. The jabs can’t replace all the benefits from a healthier lifestyle; the nutrients and vitamins of a better diet, the improvements in mental health, flexibility, active muscles etc from exercise
Dude. You’re talking to a life long fatso. How much will a lifetime supply of this drug cost for everyone who needs it?
Better get my weight loss coaching done before an injection takes it all away…Once the patent runs out in 2031 probably not that much. In the mean time let rich fatties pay for the research.
Your point was people are overweight because they’re too stupid to stop eating too much. Not because they have a compulsion, addiction, or as seems to be the case in morbidly obese women as one group, a coping mechanism from trying to avoid abuse.Once I get the lecture from BSB about how wrong I was about calories in/calories out then I'll get back to you.
No just keep it up it'll be hopefully shift in the end, what's your excercise like ATM?Your point was people are overweight because they’re too stupid to stop eating too much. Not because they have a compulsion, addiction, or as seems to be the case in morbidly obese women as one group, a coping mechanism from trying to avoid abuse.
Though I gave you my own example-6.5 stone lost calorie counting, then the weight stopped coming off for months despite eating under 2000 calories a day. Given I’m still a few stone too big, am I too stupid to lose the remaining fat?
Diet is much more significant than exercise.
Your point was people are overweight because they’re too stupid to stop eating too much. Not because they have a compulsion, addiction, or as seems to be the case in morbidly obese women as one group, a coping mechanism from trying to avoid abuse.
Though I gave you my own example-6.5 stone lost calorie counting, then the weight stopped coming off for months despite eating under 2000 calories a day. Given I’m still a few stone too big, am I too stupid to lose the remaining fat?
I’ve almost assumed that many people due to cost, access, poor knowledge etc won’t ever be eating great. Going for a long brisk walk every day shouldn’t be too much for anyone to grasp. I see both as critical though
Female?An hour long walk can be wiped out by a single muffin. BSB is right for weight loss it’s all about what goes in really. Obviously exercise is important for other reasons.
I’ve met many a fat PE teacher.
Though I gave you my own example-6.5 stone lost calorie counting, then the weight stopped coming off for months despite eating under 2000 calories a day. Given I’m still a few stone too big, am I too stupid to lose the remaining fat?
Your point was people are overweight because they’re too stupid to stop eating too much. Not because they have a compulsion, addiction, or as seems to be the case in morbidly obese women as one group, a coping mechanism from trying to avoid abuse.
Though I gave you my own example-6.5 stone lost calorie counting, then the weight stopped coming off for months despite eating under 2000 calories a day. Given I’m still a few stone too big, am I too stupid to lose the remaining fat?
Or wait it out?on the same path for now and?Actually the point was about a specific poster, who had spent the last 15 years wasting the time of the NHS because he was waiting for a miracle cure.
And you probably need to drop your calories further, as your body now just requires less to maintain.
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