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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (18 Viewers)

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MalcSB

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,206
Grendel said:
Yes and manufacturers are offering huge discounted support to retailers to try and get rid of them
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They won’t be able to do that forever.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,207
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Would sure love to only have to go in 40% of the time…
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And here we have the real reason. “How dare people have better working conditions or rewards than I have”

This country

 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,208
MalcSB said:
They won’t be able to do that forever.
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£10 grand support on a Jaguar I Pace and they still are not selling
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,209
shmmeee said:
How dare the proles get a decent wage?
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Why do they need London weighting if they are not working in London?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,210
MalcSB said:
Why do they need London weighting if they are not working in London?
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Why not pay everyone minimum wage?

Travel to London isn’t free. And labour markets are labour markets. I don’t live in London, but my head office is there and my wage reflects that. WFH allowing the only people in the country to earn a halfway reasonable salary to spend their money outside London isn’t a bad thing.
 

MalcSB

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,211
Grendel said:
£10 grand support on a Jaguar I Pace and they still are not selling
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My wife’s friend has one. Constant range anxiety and huge cost and time added to journey if not charging at home. I bought a diesel.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,212
shmmeee said:
And here we have the real reason. “How dare people have better working conditions or rewards than I have”

This country

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Well no, I know why it’s impossible for me to have been a teacher or do what I do now from home. No objections there.

But people who do have that privilege complaining about having to go in less than half of the time seem to forget about the optics of what they’re complaining about.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,213
shmmeee said:
Why not pay everyone minimum wage?

Travel to London isn’t free. And labour markets are labour markets. I don’t live in London, but my head office is there and my wage reflects that. WFH allowing the only people in the country to earn a halfway reasonable salary to spend their money outside London isn’t a bad thing.
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If they are wfh they arent travelling to London so why pay the weighting allowance?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,214
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well no, I know why it’s impossible for me to have been a teacher or do what I do now from home. No objections there.

But people who do have that privilege complaining about having to go in less than half of the time seem to forget about the optics of what they’re complaining about.
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People who get 13 weeks a year off with full pay and work 9-3 whining about others having an issue with fitting childcare around work seem to forget the optics of what they’re complaining about.

See how this works?
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,215
shmmeee said:
People who get 13 weeks a year off with full pay and work 9-3 whining about others having an issue with fitting childcare around work seem to forget the optics of what they’re complaining about.

See how this works?
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You once started a thread moaning you were in the higher tax bracket and were their any tips on how to avoid paying it
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,216
shmmeee said:
And here we have the real reason. “How dare people have better working conditions or rewards than I have”

This country

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This with “better” rewards are going to get hammered in the budget. So yes, how very dare they,
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,217
shmmeee said:
People who get 13 weeks a year off with full pay and work 9-3 whining about others having an issue with fitting childcare around work seem to forget the optics of what they’re complaining about.

See how this works?
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Perfectly reasonable compensation for having to deal with the kids of today.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,218
shmmeee said:
People who get 13 weeks a year off with full pay and work 9-3 whining about others having an issue with fitting childcare around work seem to forget the optics of what they’re complaining about.

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As you and I both know, teaching is one of a few jobs where unpaid overtime is standard. So not the checkmate argument you think it is.

To be clear my ultimate goal is to be in a hybrid or WFH job myself, and hybrid seems to be the optimum for a lot of jobs that aren’t impossible to do WFH.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,219
Brighton Sky Blue said:
As you and I both know, teaching is one of a few jobs where unpaid overtime is standard. So not the checkmate argument you think it is.

To be clear my ultimate goal is to be in a hybrid or WFH job myself, and hybrid seems to be the optimum for a lot of jobs that aren’t impossible to do WFH.
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Its almost like every job is different and the people best placed to judge it are those doing it and those employing them to do it and not jealous randoms.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,220
MalcSB said:
Perfectly reasonable compensation for having to deal with the kids of today.
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Haha I don’t disagree.

Look. If we can’t move people near productive enterprises by building housing and transport, we should at least be able to move productive enterprise to people with WFH.

In all seriousness, my job market pre and post Covid are worlds apart. There’s a lot of people like me with valuable skills that can’t or don’t want to move out of where they are (co-parenting kids for me). It sucks for those that can’t have that, and that’s why building houses and transport so those people can get themselves to productive employment is still vital.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,221
MalcSB said:
This with “better” rewards are going to get hammered in the budget. So yes, how very dare they,
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To be clear my political philosophy is and has been for some time: pay everyone more, tax everyone more. I am very happy for my taxes to go up, the country is fucked and I can afford it far more easily than a teacher or NHS worker. I imagine statisticians are in a similar boat.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,222
shmmeee said:
Its almost like every job is different and the people best placed to judge it are those doing it and those employing them to do it and not jealous randoms.
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So, in the case of the ONS civil servants their employers (one of the two grours best placed to judge) are saying they want attendance at base two whole days a week. Seems reasonable.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,223
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Would love to see a similar study done but for turning off ‘socials’ entirely. I’d like to think it would generally improve the quality of our political discourse and mend a few divides.
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Possibly but on the other hand the utterly toxic press would revert to its primary position of peddling rubbish.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,224
MalcSB said:
There are lies, damned lies and statistics.


The stats can still be worked out later

I hope those “based” in London have had their weighting allowance stopped,
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Come on, grow up
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,225
MalcSB said:
Why do they need London weighting if they are not working in London?
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If they're obliged to travel into the office they should be paid London weighing, it's as simple as that.
 

Grendel

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,226
Brighton Sky Blue said:
As you and I both know, teaching is one of a few jobs where unpaid overtime is standard. So not the checkmate argument you think it is.

To be clear my ultimate goal is to be in a hybrid or WFH job myself, and hybrid seems to be the optimum for a lot of jobs that aren’t impossible to do WFH.
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Every management role I’ve done was without overtime
 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,227
fernandopartridge said:
If they're obliged to travel into the office they should be paid London weighing, it's as simple as that.
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They are taking industrial action to continue not travelling in to the office, ergo they are not travelling in to the office, it’s as simple as that.
Presumably your logic would dictate that if they don’t travel into the office, they shouldn’t be paid London Weighting.
 

Mild-Mannered Janitor

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,228
Grendel said:
Every management role I’ve done was without overtime
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As in unpaid or you just didn't do it......NQT's still work a lot of unpaid hours, they are not management.
 

Como

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,229
Its a new day and I thought the last lot were bad.

Ed Miliband has urged his party to stop selling access to senior government ministers, after it emerged Labour had offered company bosses breakfast with the business secretary, Jonathan Reynolds, for up to £30,000.

‘Don’t do it again’: Miliband condemns £30,000 Labour breakfast with minister

Party offered company bosses event with business secretary, but Ed Miliband says Jonathan Reynolds knew nothing of it
www.theguardian.com
 

Marty

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,230
MalcSB said:
My wife’s friend has one. Constant range anxiety and huge cost and time added to journey if not charging at home. I bought a diesel.
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EV's are dead, most manufacturers have already moved on to developing different propulsion systems.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,231
Tell Ed Millliband that.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,232
Brighton Sky Blue said:
As you and I both know, teaching is one of a few jobs where unpaid overtime is standard. So not the checkmate argument you think it is.

To be clear my ultimate goal is to be in a hybrid or WFH job myself, and hybrid seems to be the optimum for a lot of jobs that aren’t impossible to do WFH.
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I WFH for around 3.5 years but recently started renting an office. WFH isn’t all it’s cracked up to be, I’d say hybrid is probably the way to go.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,233
Mild-Mannered Janitor said:
As in unpaid or you just didn't do it......NQT's still work a lot of unpaid hours, they are not management.
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I’d imagine unpaid, it tends to be expected as standard.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,234
MalcSB said:
Why do they need London weighting if they are not working in London?
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I'd say it should be the same everywhere.

Encourage people to move to places that have lower living costs because they're in need of redevelopment by saying you get exactly the same as someone living in expensive London. Buy a dingy one bed flat or a nice three-bed semi with a garden for the same money?

They keep on saying how run down and full of social problems all these towns and cities are then do fuck all about it and just try and get more well-paid jobs to the SE.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,235
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
I'd say it should be the same everywhere.

Encourage people to move to places that have lower living costs because they're in need of redevelopment by saying you get exactly the same as someone living in expensive London. Buy a dingy one bed flat or a nice three-bed semi with a garden for the same money?

They keep on saying how run down and full of social problems all these towns and cities are then do fuck all about it and just try and get more well-paid jobs to the SE.
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Just drop London weighting completely then.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 4, 2024
  • #44,236
MalcSB said:
Just drop London weighting completely then.
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Well I was thinking it will cause a housing bubble everywhere eventually, but I think I subscribe to shhmmeee doctrine of giving everyone a rise, but am prepared to hear arguments against that because it seems every time that happens it just gets eaten away by price's inflating and so it goes!!
 
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MalcSB

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  • Oct 5, 2024
  • #44,237
Como said:
Its a new day and I thought the last lot were bad.

Ed Miliband has urged his party to stop selling access to senior government ministers, after it emerged Labour had offered company bosses breakfast with the business secretary, Jonathan Reynolds, for up to £30,000.

‘Don’t do it again’: Miliband condemns £30,000 Labour breakfast with minister

Party offered company bosses event with business secretary, but Ed Miliband says Jonathan Reynolds knew nothing of it
www.theguardian.com
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What’s worse, selling access - or “breach” of Trade Descriptions Acts as the business secretary wasn't going to attend. Supposedly.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 5, 2024
  • #44,238
Ah I see we’re pretending we’ve never followed politics before.
 
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Mcbean

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  • Oct 5, 2024
  • #44,239
Ed Milliband is pretty thick - his carbon capture 22bn project was undone by a Scientist in less than 30 seconds this morning - he also thinks during the winter everyone will do their shopping in a pushbike -twat !
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 5, 2024
  • #44,240
Mcbean said:
Ed Milliband is pretty thick - his carbon capture 22bn project was undone by a Scientist in less than 30 seconds this morning - he also thinks during the winter everyone will do their shopping in a pushbike -twat !
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No road tax though, probably a saving £2-k per annum just joshing mate?
 
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