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MalcSB

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  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #44,136

Labour donor Waheed Alli under Lords investigation over register of interests

Peer who gave gifts to Keir Starmer is being investigated after complaint he did not declare interests correctly
www.theguardian.com
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #44,137
MalcSB said:
I think PFI V1 was a disaster in the NHS
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I know, it was and is a disaster. UHCW like many other trusts will still be paying the price for a few years yet.
 

MalcSB

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  • Oct 2, 2024
  • #44,138
fernandopartridge said:
I know, it was and is a disaster. UHCW like many other trusts will still be paying the price for a few years yet.
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But at least the corridors are always being painted white.
 

MalcSB

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,139
wingy said:
So when the interest rate is cut next month to coincide with the financial statement will the private sector that will purchase the bonds provide a fixed rate or will float I think I know the answer but, help.oh and petrol is down significantly for the inflation rate so get your act together BOE and pack it in!!!
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Israel has probably put paid to interest rate cuts as the price of oil goes up.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,140
MalcSB said:

Labour donor Waheed Alli under Lords investigation over register of interests

Peer who gave gifts to Keir Starmer is being investigated after complaint he did not declare interests correctly
www.theguardian.com
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Tories going hard to take out a major donor
 

Nick

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,141
One in five working age adults are now unable to work full time due to illness.

8 million people....
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,142
Nick said:
One in five working age adults are now unable to work full time due to illness.

8 million people....
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I’m guessing the key word there is full time I.e. they’re not unemployed they’re just not working full time. UK unemployment figures are currently at about 1.4 million for comparison.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,143
MalcSB said:
Israel has probably put paid to interest rate cuts as the price of oil goes up.
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Shit twats, USA will love that!
I was betting this month to coincide with the autumn statement, fucking stupid!
 

Nick

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,144
skybluetony176 said:
I’m guessing the key word there is full time I.e. they’re not unemployed they’re just not working full time. UK unemployment figures are currently at about 1.4 million for comparison.
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4.3 million can't work at all. The others part time.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,145
Nick said:
4.3 million can't work at all. The others part time.
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Well, again. To put that into some sort of context if you take just one serious illness, say cancer, over 3 million people (and rising) in the UK have cancer at any given time. The majority of which are working age. That’s just one serious illness that I would think justifies not being able to work due to illness. That figure don’t look bad at all when you start adding context to it. I’m guessing where you gleaned it from though didn’t add context as the purpose was to trigger people incapable of critical thinking.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,146
Knowing what I know about the PIP application process I find it very unlikely people are defrauding disability benefits at scale.

Is this the whole far right thing of “we don’t need migrants because we can force everyone to work who isn’t right now” stuff?
 
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Grendel

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,147
skybluetony176 said:
Well, again. To put that into some sort of context if you take just one serious illness, say cancer, over 3 million people (and rising) in the UK have cancer at any given time. The majority of which are working age. That’s just one serious illness that I would think justifies not being able to work due to illness. That figure don’t look bad at all when you start adding context to it. I’m guessing where you gleaned it from though didn’t add context as the purpose was to trigger people incapable of critical thinking.
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A lot of people who have cancer do still work
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,148
Grendel said:
A lot of people who have cancer do still work
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And a lot can't!
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,149
At the end of the day we're all just cockroaches on a ball,at the moment the one's painted with a red dot are winning the battle for the blue dot's, it's absolutely batshit that this is even in question, Jeremy Corbyn is right on this point!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,150
Fucking crude oil prices up 5% cos a senile man said something.

But yes serious people it’s renewables that are expensive.

Can we please stop linking our economic capacity to a bunch of backwards arseholes in the desert please?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,151
MalcSB said:
Israel has probably put paid to interest rate cuts as the price of oil goes up.
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Well it's already showing up in the currency trading but probably due to the remarks of the BOE,and so they should as it's been too high for two long, hopefully the greedy manipulative traders have made their killing!
 

Nick

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,152
skybluetony176 said:
Well, again. To put that into some sort of context if you take just one serious illness, say cancer, over 3 million people (and rising) in the UK have cancer at any given time. The majority of which are working age. That’s just one serious illness that I would think justifies not being able to work due to illness. That figure don’t look bad at all when you start adding context to it. I’m guessing where you gleaned it from though didn’t add context as the purpose was to trigger people incapable of critical thinking.
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Critical thinking? You have assumed people get laid off as soon as they get a cancer diagnosis.

This is people unable to be in employment / not employed.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,153
shmmeee said:
Knowing what I know about the PIP application process I find it very unlikely people are defrauding disability benefits at scale.

Is this the whole far right thing of “we don’t need migrants because we can force everyone to work who isn’t right now” stuff?
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More than likely. Just on cancer for instance, just because you’ve stopped receiving treatment doesn’t mean you’re recovered. My mother is a bowel cancer survivor, she was diagnosed 2 years before retirement, had 18 months of work and went back for the last 6 months part time. I only found out last week how long it actually took her to recover. She never let on at the time but my daughter interviewed her for a school project and the questions led to the biggest adversity she’d ever overcome. Which was obviously the cancer. It was only then that I learned that the 6 months she was forced to return to work before retiring was the hardest period in her recovery. She also recons it took her 3 years before she felt well again.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,154
My missus is in HR for a large company and the amount of people off sick is ridiculous. You can get between 6 and 12 months paid with the company for it.

There's clearly a big mental health crisis in the UK and every time I come back the whole place just feels depressed. A lot of the people off work with sickness are off with mental health issues. You have then got those physically sick, and certainly a chunk that are just bone-idol as well. I say this from seeing it first hand, but also my missus who tells me there are a lot of people that they have to investigate because it turns out they are faking it. There's a lot of time spent investigating the large amount of people off sick, and for good reason.
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,155
We’ve just had a pandemic and waiting lists are at an all time high.
skybluetony176 said:
More than likely. Just on cancer for instance, just because you’ve stopped receiving treatment doesn’t mean you’re recovered. My mother is a bowel cancer survivor, she was diagnosed 2 years before retirement, had 18 months of work and went back for the last 6 months part time. I only found out last week how long it actually took her to recover. She never let on at the time but my daughter interviewed her for a school project and the questions led to the biggest adversity she’d ever overcome. Which was obviously the cancer. It was only then that I learned that the 6 months she was forced to return to work before retiring was the hardest period in her recovery. She also recons it took her 3 years before she felt well again.
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Also this is going to include all early retirement people right?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,156
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
My missus is in HR for a large company and the amount of people off sick is ridiculous. You can get between 6 and 12 months paid with the company for it.

There's clearly a big mental health crisis in the UK and every time I come back the whole place just feels depressed. A lot of the people off work with sickness are off with mental health issues. You have then got those physically sick, and certainly a chunk that are just bone-idol as well. I say this from seeing it first hand, but also my missus who tells me there are a lot of people that they have to investigate because it turns out they are faking it. There's a lot of time spent investigating the large amount of people off sick, and for good reason.
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If you’re off work on the sick you’re not unemployed so you’re not in these numbers. This is economically inactive and not looking for work so includes students carers, retirees, housewives, etc.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,157
Nick said:
Critical thinking? You have assumed people get laid off as soon as they get a cancer diagnosis.

This is people unable to be in employment / not employed.
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I don’t know how came to that conclusion, I never said anything remotely like that. Maybe you’re over compensating and over critically thinking and adding your own context.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,158
Grendel said:
A lot of people who have cancer do still work
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And?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,159
Seems like it’s older people off on long term sick and younger “discouraged” unemployed who aren’t looking.

From the ONS release:

 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,160
wingy said:
And a lot can't!
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And we’re talking about one illness out of hundreds and hundreds that legitimately and justifiably keep people from working.
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,161
skybluetony176 said:
I don’t know how came to that conclusion, I never said anything remotely like that. Maybe you’re over compensating and over critically thinking and adding your own context.
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Because saying 3 million have cancer doesn't really mean much, does it?
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,162
shmmeee said:
Seems like it’s older people off on long term sick and younger “discouraged” unemployed who aren’t looking.

From the ONS release:

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Like a decent contract for conditions etc,less of the zero hours then really quite simple when you're not trying to screw people over really!
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,163
Nick said:
Because saying 3 million have cancer doesn't really mean much, does it?
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Why doesn’t it?

You’re getting triggered by people being too unwell to work. I can’t believe that you’ve never been close to someone who has cancer and seen what they’ve gone through. And as I’ve already said. That’s just one illness in hundreds and hundreds that can quite justifiably be reason to be unavailable for work.
 
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Nick

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,164
skybluetony176 said:
Why doesn’t it?

You’re getting triggered by people being too unwell to work. I can’t believe that you’ve never been close to someone who has cancer and seen what they’ve gone through. And as I’ve already said. That’s just one illness in hundreds and hundreds that can quite justifiably be reason to be unavailable for work.
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Because it is unemployed numbers, not people off work sick.

Yes I've seen people in jobs be diagnosed with cancer. They had time off work, they weren't laid off and made unemployed.

Not triggered in the slightest.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,165
Just on the subject of political donations,all of the Tory leadership rival's have between them received circa £900 k thus far, time to put this rubbish to bed,so many of the press opposed to the upstart's getting on with thing's!
 
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Marty

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,166
Is that 8 million just people with illnesses or does it include those that are carers as well and as such unable to work full time.

I'm sure there's plenty that are fit and able but unable to work due to looking after relatives.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,167
What's happened to Keunssberg promotional recording of Boris on TV gone tonight?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,168
Nick said:
Because it is unemployed numbers, not people off work sick.

Yes I've seen people in jobs be diagnosed with cancer. They had time off work, they weren't laid off and made unemployed.

Not triggered in the slightest.
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So UK official current unemployed number is 1.4 million of which you’re claiming 4.3 million are on the sick. Where are you getting these numbers from again?
 

shmmeee

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,169
Marty said:
Is that 8 million just people with illnesses or does it include those that are carers as well and as such unable to work full time.

I'm sure there's plenty that are fit and able but unable to work due to looking after relatives.
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It’s everyone 16-65 not in work and not looking for whatever reason that might be.
 
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wingy

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  • Oct 3, 2024
  • #44,170
shmmeee said:
It’s everyone 16-65 not in work and not looking for whatever reason that might be.
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Simple then, share the results of their labour more equitably, and stop worshipping greed and all that goes with it!
 
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