It’s just a feeling, not anything I’ve gleaned from tabloids. TBH if it was fed by anything it would be from people on here who seem very disillusioned already (as you have seemed to be).Labour don’t sack their leader when they lose they sure as hell aren’t going to do it when they win a landslide. Behave. You’ve been huffing too much tabloid from the looks of it.
So pleased I rarely pop on this thread now, certainly not good for my MH.
I've just read the last few pages and all I can see from those justifying the millionaire PM who vowed to stop cronyism, is 'yeah but Boris was worse'. He was, undeniably, does that make Starmer's position look right, at a time with what's going on and a threat of an austerity budget round the corner?
That said, I'm personally not bothered one bit what he has, the same as I wasn't with Boris, when it's a) private funding and b) tiny in comparison to much bigger issues. This does also feel like a bit of a witch hunt.
The difference in my response is I'm consistent and not based on if he represents a particular team!
It’s just a feeling, not anything I’ve gleaned from tabloids. TBH if it was fed by anything it would be from people on here who seem very disillusioned already (as you have seemed to be).
Having said that, I worry I’m going to wake up one morning feeling fine only to discover MR has walked.
Labour don’t sack their leader when they lose they sure as hell aren’t going to do it when they win a landslide. Behave. You’ve been huffing too much tabloid from the looks of it.
Wes Shmmeeeting’s been busy today.They have removed many leaders when they’ve lost. Are you off your meds? The deranged dribbling is reaching new heights. It’s amazingly entertaining though so please keep going.
It's about politics and public perception. It looks bad accepting donations from wealthy donors when your government is telling people to tighten the purse strings even more.Subsidised by donors. Not tax payers.
What are you actually asking for?
Why shouldn’t a politician have campaign costs covered by donors? And why only small gifts from close people and not the millions from vested interests? And if you get rid of them do you want taxpayers to fund campaign costs instead?
It’s just all so random and illogical. Half the time it’s “the PM/LOTO shouldn’t have nice things” and the other it’s “oh corruption, but ignore a petrochemical firm pouring millions in cash in”. Just comes off as confected.
It's about politics and public perception. It looks bad accepting donations from wealthy donors when your government is telling people to tighten the purse strings even more.
And it's incredibly naive to think that a donor will not expect something in return in one form or another.
Ensuring his kid‘s study Isn’t disrupted whilst introducing a change which will almost certainly disrupt other kids whose parents are paying for their education twice is not a good look.This donor is already a lord, what more do you think he wants. Some people donate to political parties. If you want to stop that you need to find another way to fund them.
It’s not about that though, because as I keep pointing out no one is actually talking about donations that may have actually lead to policy change. Just attacking a 16 year old for studying in a flat that’s too posh for their liking.
It’s not like nearly everyone here spent years criticising the Tories for gifting their mates billions in dodgy COVID contracts…This donor is already a lord, what more do you think he wants. Some people donate to political parties. If you want to stop that you need to find another way to fund them.
It’s not about that though, because as I keep pointing out no one is actually talking about donations that may have actually lead to policy change. Just attacking a 16 year old for studying in a flat that’s too posh for their liking.
This donor is already a lord, what more do you think he wants. Some people donate to political parties. If you want to stop that you need to find another way to fund them.
It’s not about that though, because as I keep pointing out no one is actually talking about donations that may have actually lead to policy change. Just attacking a 16 year old for studying in a flat that’s too posh for their liking.
This donor is already a lord, what more do you think he wants. Some people donate to political parties. If you want to stop that you need to find another way to fund them.
It’s not about that though, because as I keep pointing out no one is actually talking about donations that may have actually lead to policy change. Just attacking a 16 year old for studying in a flat that’s too posh for their liking.
Even if it’s just friendshipI am pretty sure somebody who wants to be close mates with MPs and just gives them money because they are his mate is after something in return from it.
Even if it’s just friendship
Sorry I meant friends not buying friendship but friends supporting other friendsWho tries to befriend MPs to give them money? Seems a bit weird, doesn't it?
I had to do Anti Corruption training when I started a job, that shit wouldn't pass.
"Oh so you work here? Can I be your mate? Do you want some money?"
I wonder how many friends bearing gifts these politicians would have if they werent politicians.Sorry I meant friends not buying friendship but friends supporting other friends
where do i get one of these mates who wants to give me tens / hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of free stuff not expecting anything back?I am pretty sure somebody who wants to be close mates with MPs and just gives them money because they are his mate is after something in return from it.
We know you have plenty Davewhere do i get one of these mates who wants to give me tens / hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of free stuff not expecting anything back?
Just give it back, simply but there's a point here so suspect he can't!We know you have plenty Dave
It really depends on what exactly he's done, it's tit for tat but that's just rubbish really but there you go, the media are scum really,so whatever comes their way,then fair enough for me!We can't spend years having a pop at the Tories for doing this kind of thing, but then make excuses when Labour do it.
This is my biggest problem with politics, and why I feel so alienated by nearly everyone in it. There's very little integrity, the people involved don't live normal lives and therefore cannot relate to the general public, and when you have hardcore fans of certain parties that get up in arms selectively (depending on whether it is their chosen party/candidate or not) the whole environment just becomes full of hypocrisy.
There's surely room for a common sense party that actually want to do the right thing with the country and do their best with a bit of integrity. The Conservative rule was a joke, and now it seems these clowns at Labour have started strongly in their campaign to try and beat it.
It really depends on what exactly he's done, it's tit for tat but that's just rubbish really but there you go, the media are scum really,so whatever comes their way,then fair enough for me!
It’s early days.Are people confused as to the issue with Johnson and other Tories? It wasn’t that they declared gifts, it was that they tried to hide them. That was the point. There’s no suggestion Starmer has broken any rules.
I swear some of you just get angry cos the papers say so and don’t actually know what you’re angry about. There’s no suggestion of rule breaking like the Tories and no suggestion of corruption.
Are people confused as to the issue with Johnson and other Tories? It wasn’t that they declared gifts, it was that they tried to hide them. That was the point. There’s no suggestion Starmer has broken any rules.
I swear some of you just get angry cos the papers say so and don’t actually know what you’re angry about. There’s no suggestion of rule breaking like the Tories and no suggestion of corruption.
Yeah exactly but my point is it's strange how he makes friends with so many MPs.Sorry I meant friends not buying friendship but friends supporting other friends
I'm not defending one of those doing the defending him but it's a bad look and simply resolved by handling it back, but then they'll start with, well that's a sign of something wrong which he hasn't done anything illegal, just unwise IMO , I'd imagine it's no bother personally to him, just rich coming from the quarters it has!It's pretty clear what he's done, and it's a joke that anyone is trying to defend it. It doesn't matter what party you represent.
There's more to be gained than just honours. He may have business interests or disputes that having a PM who's accepted high value gifts from you could prove very useful.This donor is already a lord, what more do you think he wants. Some people donate to political parties. If you want to stop that you need to find another way to fund them.
It’s not about that though, because as I keep pointing out no one is actually talking about donations that may have actually lead to policy change. Just attacking a 16 year old for studying in a flat that’s too posh for their liking.
Are people confused as to the issue with Johnson and other Tories? It wasn’t that they declared gifts, it was that they tried to hide them. That was the point. There’s no suggestion Starmer has broken any rules.
I swear some of you just get angry cos the papers say so and don’t actually know what you’re angry about. There’s no suggestion of rule breaking like the Tories and no suggestion of corruption.
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