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Nuskyblue

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  • Sep 12, 2024
  • #43,401
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It gives the wrong impression and makes it seem simpler than it is. It’s emphatically not the thing to tell someone trying to lose weight.
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At a nuts an bolts level ot sort of is that easy but I know what you mean, there is more to it than that. Some really struggle with it. There is so much info out there it can be bewildering and probably overwhelming.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Sep 12, 2024
  • #43,402
Brighton Sky Blue said:
This is an age where people are handsomely rewarded for recording themselves making disgusting eating noises on the internet.

In my own case, as a postgraduate student and my wife working full time we are eligible for £0 in support for childcare costs. So I suppose come not too long we’ll burn through our savings courtesy of that and a £300 monthly mortgage increase.

It’s OK, we’ll just be in the ‘bone idle’ category.
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Apart from the wealthy, the majority of people have savings because they’ve worked hard or made sacrifices, including not having children.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Sep 12, 2024
  • #43,403
Would be interested to see what those who said it was all just about winning the election have to say…
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 12, 2024
  • #43,404
Nuskyblue said:
I have an electric car, every mile I drive is taxed at 20%, as would anyone that is unable to charge at home (which is >50% off the population).
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The problem is you don’t pay VED ( road fund tax) which is what the road pricing would be needed to make up for. Why should ICE drivers pay bot?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 12, 2024
  • #43,405
Sick Boy said:
Apart from the wealthy, the majority of people have savings because they’ve worked hard or made sacrifices, including not having children.
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Well case in point we’ve waited until our 30s to do it for financial reasons.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 12, 2024
  • #43,406
Sick Boy said:
Would be interested to see what those who said it was all just about winning the election have to say…
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Well I'm still holding my nose tbf?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 12, 2024
  • #43,407
Sick Boy said:
Would be interested to see what those who said it was all just about winning the election have to say…
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I believe we were told Labour were just pretending to be Tory lite to get elected
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 12, 2024
  • #43,408
fernandopartridge said:
I think it's the mayonnaise which they always put loads of, maybe the bread has some additives but not sure
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Bread is the devil’s food, avoid at all costs despite the temptatio.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 12, 2024
  • #43,409
fernandopartridge said:
They are not paying the train drivers, they don't employ them. I suspect that the franchise agreements require that the DfT has to approve the award but not pay it.

In any event, it isn't train drivers vs other workers or pensioners. The standalone point is strong enough, the government has decided to cut benefits for elderly people on the eve of winter and ahead of a forthcoming rise in the price of energy.
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That’s not entirely true. From the BBC

“The government believes the majority of funding for a pay offer for train drivers will come from train operating company budgets.

Ministers intend to set out where the rest of the money will come from at the Budget in October.

It is understood ministers believe most of the funding can come from money already budgeted for pay rises since 2022.

But the government has not provided figures to back this up.

It also leaves open the option that taxpayers pick up part of the pay bill at a time where other services are being cut to save money.”

What a surprise, no figures provided to back up their assertion that the companies will be able to cover the costs. I think that since covid the government covers train companies overspends: in any event this government intends to privatise rail so will have responsibility for all associated financial matters.

The attached shows that £11.9 billion of government money supported the rail industry in 2023

Regulator’s report shows rail industry continues recovery from the pandemic with increased fares revenue and reduced government support | Office of Rail and Road

The Office of Rail and Road (ORR) has today published its annual Rail Industry Finance (UK) statistical report.
www.orr.gov.uk
 
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duffer

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  • Sep 12, 2024
  • #43,410
shmmeee said:
The numbers in fuel poverty decreased last year because of insulation efforts and increased income outweighing energy cost increases.

There are genuine issues with a small number just above the threshold clearly. That doesn’t change the fact that giving Elton John £300 a year isn’t a wise use of public funds.

Pensioners are doing well. Far far better than when the WFP was introduced. They are insulated from housing costs and have income guaranteed to rise above everyone else’s in perpetuity. Reducing their benefits isn’t akin to murdering them and I’d take you a lot more seriously if you felt that way about working age benefits too, who have none of those advantages.
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Not all pensioners are insulated from housing costs. Some pay rent, some have mortgages.

In itself that doesn't put them on pension credit, if you weren't aware.

As with most things, the ones with the least will have the poorer, least insulated housing, and no mechanism for improving it. Not being on pension credit does not equate to rich.

There might well be a reasonable case for altering who gets the WFA, but this blanket approach is ill considered and unnecessarily cruel.

To do it without even considering the impact, is frankly, callous.

Again, if the Tories had done this in the last government, then politely, I seriously doubt you'd be making the same arguments.

We did not do impact assessment of winter fuel payment cut, No 10 admits

Spokesperson for Keir Starmer says focus was instead on encouraging pensioners to seek additional support
www.theguardian.com
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,411
duffer said:
Not all pensioners are insulated from housing costs. Some pay rent, some have mortgages.

In itself that doesn't put them on pension credit, if you weren't aware.

As with most things, the ones with the least will have the poorer, least insulated housing, and no mechanism for improving it. Not being on pension credit does not equate to rich.

There might well be a reasonable case for altering who gets the WFA, but this blanket approach is ill considered and unnecessarily cruel.

To do it without even considering the impact, is frankly, callous.

Again, if the Tories had done this in the last government, then politely, I seriously doubt you'd be making the same arguments.

We did not do impact assessment of winter fuel payment cut, No 10 admits

Spokesperson for Keir Starmer says focus was instead on encouraging pensioners to seek additional support
www.theguardian.com
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I’d argue that if being just above the fuel poverty line without pension credit then the pension credit threshold is too low regardless of the winter fuel payment. But right now 25% of recipients of it are literal millionaires and that can’t be right either.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,412
fernandopartridge said:
Parliament needs to be moved away from London and its city-driven opulence to bring MPs into the real world.
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Definitely. Should be moved around the country. Could get cities to bid for it - City of Cu*ture.

Personally I think it should be forced to go to a place that is deprived. Get them to see the reality. Plus it'd help regenerate the places.
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,413
MalcSB said:
The problem is you don’t pay VED ( road fund tax) which is what the road pricing would be needed to make up for. Why should ICE drivers pay bot?
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Tbh I've not paid road tax for ages now, they used to do it based on emissions didn't they, I'm fairly sure the last car I owned I had to pay something like £30 a year on. I'm guessing this is no longer the case?

Personally I think tax should be calculated by cost when new, size and weight. That seems fair to me.
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,414
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Definitely. Should be moved around the country. Could get cities to bid for it - City of Cu*ture.

Personally I think it should be forced to go to a place that is deprived. Get them to see the reality. Plus it'd help regenerate the places.
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Some of the most deprived areas in the UK are in London, it hasn’t helped them.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,415
I would be interested to see the PM do ‘PMQs’ with the general public each week in a different part of the country.
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 13, 2024
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,417
Gynnsthetonic said:
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It's funny how a lot of right wingers have woken up to the impact of austerity now the 'other side' is doing it. One study found that it had killed about 190k people between 2010 and 2019.

The cost of austerity: How UK public spending cuts led to 190,000 excess deaths - LSE Inequalities

Austerity measures (2010-19) cost the average Briton nearly 1/2 a year in life expectancy. Regional disparities widened and 190,000 excess deaths occurred.
blogs.lse.ac.uk
 
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Como

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,418
Nuskyblue said:
Tbh I've not paid road tax for ages now, they used to do it based on emissions didn't they, I'm fairly sure the last car I owned I had to pay something like £30 a year on. I'm guessing this is no longer the case?

Personally I think tax should be calculated by cost when new, size and weight. That seems fair to me.
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Where I am it is based on the original list price discounted for age. Weight makes sense as the heavier the vehicle the more damage is done, but that would hit EVs.
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,419
fernandopartridge said:
It's funny how a lot of right wingers have woken up to the impact of austerity now the 'other side' is doing it. One study found that it had killed about 190k people between 2010 and 2019.

The cost of austerity: How UK public spending cuts led to 190,000 excess deaths - LSE Inequalities

Austerity measures (2010-19) cost the average Briton nearly 1/2 a year in life expectancy. Regional disparities widened and 190,000 excess deaths occurred.
blogs.lse.ac.uk
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They're all as bad as each other, I saw a video of Sir Kier the other day chatting to an old lady before being elected about how she can't afford to put the heating on and how disgusted he was. I don't trust any of them
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,420
Nuskyblue said:
Tbh I've not paid road tax for ages now, they used to do it based on emissions didn't they, I'm fairly sure the last car I owned I had to pay something like £30 a year on. I'm guessing this is no longer the case?

Personally I think tax should be calculated by cost when new, size and weight. That seems fair to me.
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That would ma’e EVs pretty expensive. There’s already an additional tax f9r the first 5 years if the cars list price is over £40,000.
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,421
Como said:
Where I am it is based on the original list price discounted for age. Weight makes sense as the heavier the vehicle the more damage is done, but that would hit EVs.
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Trouble is, it’s fuck all to do with maintaining roads these days hence it’s called Vehicle Exise Duty and not Road Fund Tax.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,422
My boards report published today

HMP Rye Hill’s long term commitment to meaningful outcomes paying off - Independent Monitoring Boards

In its 2023-24 annual report, published today (13 September 2024), the Independent Monitoring Board (IMB) for HMP Rye Hill has
imb.org.uk

hard work on top of job but at least feels like some of what we do makes a difference
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,423
They won’t release the books which reveal what comprises the alleged £22 billion black hole. They haven’t been in the oven long enough yet.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,424
Gynnsthetonic said:
They're all as bad as each other, I saw a video of Sir Kier the other day chatting to an old lady before being elected about how she can't afford to put the heating on and how disgusted he was. I don't trust any of them
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What a duplicitous c**t he is.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,425
MalcSB said:
What a duplicitous c**t he is.
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Jus a bizarre own goal
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,426
MalcSB said:
That would ma’e EVs pretty expensive. There’s already an additional tax f9r the first 5 years if the cars list price is over £40,000.
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The sounds coming from the manufacturers make it seem like they're not viable commercially.

We'll all have to drive the cheap imports from China at this rate!
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,427
Nuskyblue said:
The sounds coming from the manufacturers make it seem like they're not viable commercially.

We'll all have to drive the cheap imports from China at this rate!
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People don't want them. Most manufacturers have abandoned their ambitions for 100% EV production by 2030/35.
 

MalcSB

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,428
Sky Blue Pete said:
Jus a bizarre own goal
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I can't believe the Tory's havent been playing on this. Perhaps the next leader will, in the first party political broadcast or whatever.
 

Marty

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,429
EV's are dead.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,430
Sky Blue Pete said:
Jus a bizarre own goal
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Probably the one voter group everybody knows you shouldn’t piss off and he’s gone out of his way to do it
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,431
Marty said:
EV's are dead.
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I hope not, I'll not be able to drive home this afternoon
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,432
Weird. These guys are having a holiday with the Manchester Airport pair by the looks of it.

Police still hunting 100 suspects over Harehills disorder

Dozens of people who took part in the disorder in Leeds in July remain at large, police say.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,433
shmmeee said:
Some of the most deprived areas in the UK are in London, it hasn’t helped them.
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Yeah, don't remember Parliament being in Tower Hamlets...
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,434
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Yeah, don't remember Parliament being in Tower Hamlets...
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I doubt it’ll be in Moss Side or Blackpool either.

I quite like Birmingham as a political capital.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Sep 13, 2024
  • #43,435
shmmeee said:
I doubt it’ll be in Moss Side or Blackpool either.

I quite like Birmingham as a political capital.
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Having spent £15 million on Jay Stansfield they still use money more efficiently more than most governments to be fair
 
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