fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
But something does not have to go, does it?
Your cope is off the scale in the last day or two.
I mean if we’re starting from scratch I simply wouldn’t let pensioners live in substandard homes, or for that matter allow privatised energy companies to price gouge. But in reality when all other benefits have been cut, and we’re talking about cutting services, if something has to go I’d rather it was a bung to millionaire pensioners than early years or schooling yes.
They should announce emergency funding but it should come with a promise to insulate the home of any pensioner in fuel poverty.
But something does not have to go, does it?
Your cope is off the scale in the last day or two.
It isn’t an either/or, at least I didn’t think it was.I mean if we’re starting from scratch I simply wouldn’t let pensioners live in substandard homes, or for that matter allow privatised energy companies to price gouge. But in reality when all other benefits have been cut, and we’re talking about cutting services, if something has to go I’d rather it was a bung to millionaire pensioners than early years or schooling yes.
They should announce emergency funding but it should come with a promise to insulate the home of any pensioner in fuel poverty.
Let me walk you through then.The last resort of a desperate man. It’s OK if you don’t know.
We also spend far too much of our income on the bone idle and lead swingers.Hence the word if. Just trying to add some balance as always when SBT goes off the deep end into a circle jerk. There’s a reason this was Tory policy when May decided she could tackle politically tough subjects, same as social care. We spend far too much of our income on pensioners who don’t need it if we’re honest.
Well that was what Labour promised after all, it’s the least they could do.While we're arguing about the WFP and pensioners, can we not agree that the biggest problem is the energy companies making huge profits rather than the govt having to subsidise pensioners that can't afford it.
How about we focus efforts on getting those companies to reduce the bills of pensioners by £300 instead.
Bloody hell I thought that you were suggesting £9000 a day at the end there ,and that with my New glasses!Let me walk you through then.
The current expectation is that state pension will increase by £430 in April, after winter.
A pensioner will lose £300 in WFP leaving £130.
Band C council tax increases by 5% locally would be £110, leaving £20 per year.
House insurance increases by 5%, say £10 per year.
Calorie intake - i have seen it suggested that a sedentary man of 70 needs 2,000 calories per day compared to an active man at 2,800 calories per day, so 71%. How much does an active younger man spend on food per week - £42 or £2,184 pa. For the 70 year old man, that would be £1551 p.a. Food inflation at 2.9% currently will apply equally / fully as I described it, to both sums. For the 70 year old man, it is £46 per year - but he only has £10 left of his increase So is £36 pa worse off - and that’s before any other increases. For the active younger man, the increased food cost will be £66. That will leave quite a lot left out of a train drivers £9,000 pay increase.
Probably extend the maintenance timeframe or something!Well that was what Labour promised after all, it’s the least they could do.
Dale Vince was talking about a pylon price cap which would cut bills by £200 (whatever that is).
Just how do we know all the pensioners weren't part of the bone idle benefit lot of yesteryear?We also spend far too much of our income on the bone idle and lead swingers.
Are we sure the Gov't are not getting kickback from this?While we're arguing about the WFP and pensioners, can we not agree that the biggest problem is the energy companies making huge profits rather than the govt having to subsidise pensioners that can't afford it.
How about we focus efforts on getting those companies to reduce the bills of pensioners by £300 instead.
No she doesn’t .Just how do we know all the pensioners weren't part of the bone idle benefit lot of yesteryear?
Does Tracy, who's currently raising five kids on benefits, suddenly become a hard-working pensioner who's paid her taxes when she reaches her late-60's?
Just how do we know all the pensioners weren't part of the bone idle benefit lot of yesteryear?
Does Tracy, who's currently raising five kids on benefits, suddenly become a hard-working pensioner who's paid her taxes when she reaches her late-60's?
Don’t people on benefits and / or raising children (receiving child benefit.) get NI “credits”?What are you talking about?
She won’t qualify for a state pension
What hasn't been publicised widely enough is that Reeves said in Parliament in 2014 (as recorded in Hansard) that a Labour government would scrap the WFP for those not on Pension Credit.I beg to differ.
There are plenty of pensioners either just above the threshold for pension credit, or who don't know how to work through the complexities of claiming it, who will genuinely suffer because of this.
Just because you don't know them personally doesn't mean it's not going to happen. It's needlessly cruel, performative politics, and by a Labour government at that.
If the Tories were proposing the same thing, and Labour were in opposition, I doubt you or they would be quite as sanguine as to its impacts.
The Labour effect.Oh no
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I can’t believe that I didn’t even mention the energy cap increase, that’s another £170 per year. Also need to bear in mind that, whilst @shmmeee has reminded us that pensioners calorie intake is lower their heating requirements in winter are higher as they are both sedentary and at home more than the average worker.Let me walk you through then.
The current expectation is that state pension will increase by £430 in April, after winter.
A pensioner will lose £300 in WFP leaving £130.
Band C council tax increases by 5% locally would be £110, leaving £20 per year.
House insurance increases by 5%, say £10 per year.
Calorie intake - i have seen it suggested that a sedentary man of 70 needs 2,000 calories per day compared to an active man at 2,800 calories per day, so 71%. How much does an active younger man spend on food per week - £42 or £2,184 pa. For the 70 year old man, that would be £1551 p.a. Food inflation at 2.9% currently will apply equally / fully as I described it, to both sums. For the 70 year old man, it is £46 per year - but he only has £10 left of his increase So is £36 pa worse off - and that’s before any other increases. For the active younger man, the increased food cost will be £66. That will leave quite a lot left out of a train drivers £9,000 pay increase.
I can’t believe that I didn’t even mention the energy cap increase, that’s another £170 per year. Also need to bear in mind that, whilst @shmmeee has reminded us that pensioners calorie intake is lower their heating requirements in winter are higher as they are both sedentary and at home more than the average worker.
So I have now calculated up to over £200 pa worse off despite the pension increase in April 2025.
Yes she will. Benefits include NI credits.What are you talking about?
She won’t qualify for a state pension
To give him credit he well understands all this, it's just hurting him that he has been mugged off voting for Labour.
Where was it in the Tory manifesto? Oh no, it says exactly the opposite.Id vote them again. This was literally Tory policy as well. If this is your red line you’re screwed.
The BOE effect!The Labour effect.
Not convinced by that. There are a lot of pensioners who are asset rich (including the family home, which might be in a high Council Tax band) but very money poor.Just heard a phone on local radio, quite positive reaction, from across the piste.
Mp from rugby suggested this is basically a tidying excercise to run with other schemes that will result in a overall simple energy bill's to become cheaper,you heard it here first, simple council tax band's is the way to go I think!
Not convinced by that. There are a lot of pensioners who are asset rich (including the family home, which might be in a high Council Tax band) but very money poor.
Yep it’s awfulRan the pension credit calculator and a single man aged 80 still paying rent or mortgage, on a combined state + private pension of £280 a week (which is average) is not entitled to pension credit.
£280 per week
- £100 rent
- £20 Council Tax
- £10 Water Bills
- £20 Insurance
- £20 Energy
- £20 Phone / Mobile
- £20 Insurance
Leaves £70 to live on to buy food, go out, run a car. It's pitiful.
I think those millionaires will be paying in far more than they were receiving.Yep it’s awful
So long as those millionaires are ok it’s alright
Starmer refuses to rule out the end of the single person discount, so the amount you have allowed for council tax may need to be increased (looks low anyway).Ran the pension credit calculator and a single man aged 80 still paying rent or mortgage, on a combined state + private pension of £280 a week (which is average) is not entitled to pension credit.
£280 per week
- £100 rent
- £20 Council Tax
- £10 Water Bills
- £20 Insurance
- £20 Energy
- £20 Phone / Mobile
- £20 Insurance
Leaves £70 to live on to buy food, go out, run a car. It's pitiful.
Yep it’s awful
So long as those millionaires are ok it’s alright
It was more the reason the government finances are shit is is because private wealth is being hordedIt's irrelevant, there are a tiny number of millionaires who might get a couple of hundred quid they don't need, so what?
There are many more who won't get a couple of hundred quid that they do need.
I’m sure they are but I remember seeing a graph of the government overdraft mirroring the increase in private wealthI think those millionaires will be paying in far more than they were receiving.
Government doesn't have an overdraft for fuck sakeI’m sure they are but I remember seeing a graph of the government overdraft mirroring the increase in private wealth
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