Brighton Sky Blue
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Yeah you've said but what does that mean?
Like what Blair was?
Centre ground. Labour is not elected purely on socialism left wing votes. It has to win the centre too.Yeah you've said but what does that mean?
Like what Blair was?
What sort of person would not have voted Tory last week but will (given the chance) next week?
Centre ground. Labour is not elected purely on socialism left wing votes. It has to win the centre too.
What I'm asking and still don't get is practically what does that look like. More abstaining on welfare bills? Support for more foreign wars?
The Sun getting its readers to parrot its ‘stories’.What I'm asking and still don't get is practically what does that look like. More abstaining on welfare bills? Support for more foreign wars?
Well said Pete,I think some don’t realise about centre ground which is where the tories are hoovering up votes up north.Centre ground. Labour is not elected purely on socialism left wing votes. It has to win the centre too.
Lots of my work in Pcs is in the workplace. No idea what you mean
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Well said Pete,I think some don’t realise about centre ground which is where the tories are hoovering up votes up north.
Labour cannot just stick their heads in the sand and hope for the best!!
The Sun getting its readers to parrot its ‘stories’.
It’s pretty damning of the country that despite everything they’re still seen in such a favourable light by so much of the electorate.
Labour is more trusted than the Tories on health though?
Interesting to see the environment as generally the third highest issue of concern, being of concern to almost a third of the population, most of who no doubt eat meat, drive their kids to school, use the car to commute, are still buying iphones, tablets, tvs etc etc. It certainly is You Gov, not me gov.
He’s more of a lad than that wet blanket Starmer I mean who would you rather go out for a pint with? At least you’d have a laugh with Boris!!Quite. All the Tory fanboys in here just scrolled straight past that story, they don't give a shit, all they care about is that Boris has funny hair and is a bit of a lad.
He’s more of a lad than that wet blanket Starmer I mean who would you rather go out for a pint with? At least you’d have a laugh with Boris!!
He’s more of a lad than that wet blanket Starmer I mean who would you rather go out for a pint with? At least you’d have a laugh with Boris!!
Tbf I wouldn't want a drink with either but if I had to choose it would be Starmer as his dad was a toolmaker and so was mine. What the hell would I talk about with Johnson? Born in New York, brought up first in Brussells then Eton.He’s more of a lad than that wet blanket Starmer I mean who would you rather go out for a pint with? At least you’d have a laugh with Boris!!
Tbf I wouldn't want a drink with either but if I had to choose it would be Starmer as his dad was a toolmaker and so was mine. What the hell would I talk about with Johnson? Born in New York, brought up first in Brussells then Eton.
Nothing in common at all.
Lots of people on the left need to read some applied psychology IMO. The theory on persuasion is two step:
- Step one “pacing”: mimic the existing behaviours of your target to build trust and rapport.
- Step two “leading”: slowly deviate from some behaviours to make them follow.
The Sun and the Tories do step one, they give people what they want and show they have similar values where they can. That makes people more receptive to the other stuff where they don’t align.
To be fair Osbourne’s mockney accent was great.Lots of people on the left need to read some applied psychology IMO. The theory on persuasion is two step:
- Step one “pacing”: mimic the existing behaviours of your target to build trust and rapport.
- Step two “leading”: slowly deviate from some behaviours to make them follow.
The Sun and the Tories do step one, they give people what they want and show they have similar values where they can. That makes people more receptive to the other stuff where they don’t align.
‘Boris’ is a cleverly constructed persona that so many fall for.you think that's what he's doing? That would suggest he has a strategy, which he clearly doesn't.
‘Boris’ is a cleverly constructed persona that so many fall for.
Think it applies to both of them.I was on about Starmer! I just don't see him as an effective LOTO.
Where are you?I suspect its a very varied picture. They are invisible at my place, totally invisible, and have been for the last 5 years, when they were abject when our conditions and grades were under attack.
I actually wrote twice to Mark Serwotka to challenge his perceived all round success in getting the CS pension reform overturned, and the effect on folks like me. Very polite points and enquiry. Nada response.
Where are you?
Work? I’m hmrcWhat, spirituality?
I don’t think it’s the centre ground hoovering up votes for the Tories in the North. Recently it’s been Brexit and then the success of the vaccination process, along with a staggering media campaign that has somehow framed the local Labour councils/MP’s as the reason why their constituencies have gone to shit, and in no way linked to the incumbent government and their funding over the last 11 years.Well said Pete,I think some don’t realise about centre ground which is where the tories are hoovering up votes up north.
Labour cannot just stick their heads in the sand and hope for the best!!
We have to look at ourselves and stop blaming everyone elseI don’t think it’s the centre ground hoovering up votes for the Tories in the North. Recently it’s been Brexit and then the success of the vaccination process, along with a staggering media campaign that has somehow framed the local Labour councils/MP’s as the reason why their constituencies have gone to shit, and in no way linked to the incumbent government and their funding over the last 11 years.
It’s some shit hot propaganda - if it wasn’t so grim in reality.
Work? I’m hmrc
I didn’t say Labour don’t have culpability there - from Blair all the way through to Corbyn and now Starmer. But you cannot deny that some of the reasoning you will have heard from a change voters defies logic and rational sense.We have to look at ourselves and stop blaming everyone else
You didnt no I agreeI didn’t say Labour don’t have culpability there - from Blair all the way through to Corbyn and now Starmer. But you cannot deny that some of the reasoning you will have heard from a change voters defies logic and rational sense.
As I said before - Labour need to concentrate their efforts in local affairs, and start showcasing what good they can do in the places they still have control like Preston, Liverpool and Hull for examples, as well as the metro mayoral seats they hold.
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