When I vaped I didn’t disappear in a cloud. IIRC the police said they could prosecute drivers who vaped if the “cloud” was obstructing their view of the road, quite right too.Funnily enough one of the first things that came up when I googled to see if this was complete bollocks was how long some carcinogens last on surfaces. It was part of a study where they’d looked how badly children’s heath was being impacted when parents only smoked outside and their exposure was 5 times that of non smoking households
Do wonder if this would be an issue if there weren’t so many vaping idiots who deliberately make as much smoke as possible
If smoking in beer gardens is banned I think that will be the end for many pubs.There must be hundreds of landlords who spent a small fortune on really quite elaborate and expensive smoking shelters now drumming their fingers. They needn’t worry, it will be the pubs themselves soon, those Western society dens of iniquity……
Diversity will be the message!If smoking in beer gardens is banned I think that will be the end for many pubs.
In 2023/24, £8.8 billion was raised in tobacco revenue. That would be a huge addition to the fiscal black hole.It is another economic lever being shut down tbf, they'll be able to adjust taxation to absorb I'm sure!
I’m not that mad on dance troupes in beer gardens.Diversity will be the message!
I gave up 20 years ago by the way but appreciate that many regular smokers are stalwarts of many working class pubs whilst they can still nip to the shelters.If smoking in beer gardens is banned I think that will be the end for many pubs.
Actually knife crime is already illegal outside and in pub gardens.Banning smoking outside but doing anything about knife crime?
Its very weird.
Just looked uo the cost to the NHS of smoking related illnesses, £2.6 billion a year. Tax revenues on tobacco £8.8 billion a year. Presumably savings on pensions arising from smokers premature deaths.
The costs to the NHS would continue for many years beyond an end to smoking.
They'll just be spread out over the rest of society or part's of it, same goes for anything harmful tbf,my one fear with Starmer was and is national service being older myself not an issue but the youth I'm afraid for tbh, let's hope it's unfounded!Just looked uo the cost to the NHS of smoking related illnesses, £2.6 billion a year. Tax revenues on tobacco £8.8 billion a year. Presumably savings on pensions arising from smokers premature deaths.
The costs to the NHS would continue for many years beyond an end to smoking.
They don't account for any of those activities yet, do they?Im seeing a gap for a new party. Encourage smoking, drinking, sky diving, motorcycle riding, solve the NHS funding crisis and have a great time doing it.
Use the rest of the budget from smoking to bring down the price of a pint to 1999 levelsIm seeing a gap for a new party. Encourage smoking, drinking, sky diving, motorcycle riding, solve the NHS funding crisis and have a great time doing it.
You could add promiscuity to that.Im seeing a gap for a new party. Encourage smoking, drinking, sky diving, motorcycle riding, solve the NHS funding crisis and have a great time doing it.
Use of strap line for a hedonists party, really!You could add promiscuity to that.
The Hedonism party. Strap line - People have never had it so good! Sure I’ve heard that somewhere before,
Oops!Use of strap line for a hedonists party, really!
Probably, but trouble is most of those wanting to buy a house to live in can't afford it because they're being bought by people seeing them as an investment and renting them out.I don’t think the majority of people buy a house primarily to make a return, they do so to have somewhere to live.
Come off it, that’s not the reason house prices are so high. Population increase leading to increased demand is the underlying reason. Many buy to let investors have been selling their properties because the way the income is taxed means a significant number aren’t making a profit from the rent. The threat of increased capital gains tax will probably accelerate that trend.Probably, but trouble is most of those wanting to buy a house to live in can't afford it because they're being bought by people seeing them as an investment and renting them out.
But bought by bigger entities than a a smallholder?Come off it, that’s not the reason house prices are so high. Population increase leading to increased demand is the underlying reason. Many buy to let investors have been selling their properties because the way the income is taxed means a significant number aren’t making a profit from the rent. The threat of increased capital gains tax will probably accelerate that trend.
According to your theory, everyone who wants to buy will then be able to. It will just be those who want to rent who will be in the shit.
I think that former Greek finance minister has a theory anyway and it seems accurate to me!But bought by bigger entities than a a smallholder?
Well we could start by not offering executives massively over-inflation rises and using some of that.Well quite! If our median salary was £60K, we could all afford to pay more taxes - and those who are paid £60K pay FAR more in tax (due to the fixed basic rate tax threshold). So that adds to your previous threads where you have said everyone in this country needs to be paid A LOT more! Not just junior doctors, not just train drivers, but teachers, scientists (public, private and third sector), nursery and adult care workers.
But .. WHERE does that money come from? It's a nice (if somewhat utopian) idea, but most companies would go under, and the public purse can't afford to pay that to public sector workers. Is Denmark a very cheap company to run, i wonder? What is their health provision, for example?
Someone blowing smoke up your arse?I think it’s bollocks. But I thought the smoking ban was bollocks too.
Just fucking ban it if that’s what you want and stop trying to do it through the back door.
Of course higher population and not building an equivalent number of homes, as well as things like more single person households etc have a big effect.Come off it, that’s not the reason house prices are so high. Population increase leading to increased demand is the underlying reason. Many buy to let investors have been selling their properties because the way the income is taxed means a significant number aren’t making a profit from the rent. The threat of increased capital gains tax will probably accelerate that trend.
According to your theory, everyone who wants to buy will then be able to. It will just be those who want to rent who will be in the shit.
They could legalise drugs and euthanasia, and promiscuity and bring back the death penalty while they're at it.Im seeing a gap for a new party. Encourage smoking, drinking, sky diving, motorcycle riding, solve the NHS funding crisis and have a great time doing it.
Just take it easy there pardner, don't give him ideas re euthanasia please!They could legalise drugs and euthanasia, and promiscuity and bring back the death penalty while they're at it.
Sounds like a plan.
Don’t use all evidence and science crap on us it’s starmer being a dictatorFunnily enough one of the first things that came up when I googled to see if this was complete bollocks was how long some carcinogens last on surfaces. It was part of a study where they’d looked how badly children’s heath was being impacted when parents only smoked outside and their exposure was 5 times that of non smoking households
Do wonder if this would be an issue if there weren’t so many vaping idiots who deliberately make as much smoke as possible
Yeah but transport mate?Don’t use all evidence and science crap on us it’s starmer being a dictator
Of course higher population and not building an equivalent number of homes, as well as things like more single person households etc have a big effect.
But the fact is far more people are now renting rather than owner occupied. If most people want to buy a house to live in then why as some many more houses becoming private rented and HMO's? Because people are not buying them to live in, they are buying them as investments. And because it's a business they can afford to offer more for houses than someone looking to just live in them as they'll have a return from it. And so pushes the price up even more.
| How many people rent vs. own their home in the UK? | Number | Percentage |
|---|---|---|
| Number of Mortgage Holders | 7,196,140 | 29% |
| Number of Renters | 8,601,025 | 35% |
| Number Owning House Outright | 8,610,768 | 35% |
| Total Households | 24,407,932 | 100% |
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