Brighton Sky Blue
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I think people should be able to do whatever they want as long as they aren’t physically hurting anyone. Unfortunately for you, smoking does. So yes I would rather it be banned altogether
I think people should be able to do whatever they want as long as they aren’t physically hurting anyone. Unfortunately for you, smoking does. So yes I would rather it be banned altogetherSo I can’t smoke in my home or car because of kids, can’t smoke indoors anywhere public, now can’t smoke outdoors either, I assume not in my garden for the same logic as my house and car.
As I say, just stop fannying about and ban it. At least illegal tobacco is cheap.
I think people should be able to do whatever they want as long as they aren’t physically hurting anyone. Unfortunately for you, smoking does. So yes I would rather it be banned altogether
Productivity isn’t about hours worked as much as impact of those hours. If their businesses invest in automation or other tech, if their time isn’t spent waiting in traffic, if their staff are skilled, etc.
Not an expert but from what I understand the UKs productivity issues stem from a mix of workers not being able to go where it’s most productive due to London being where all the productive jobs are and housing and transport being expensive, and SMEs not being particularly productive. Not sure why the latter exactly.
Productivity improvements is the only answer I’ve got.
Reducing the amount of money sucked out of the useful economy through paying for energy, rent and finance.
An increase on fuel duty won't be all that helpful in reducing the cost of living - another probability for October.That too. Getting to cost of living down, especially housing and energy should be priority one. Aside from anything else. The cheaper someone can live, the less we have to pay to keep people alive.
When I smoked and smoking was allowed in restaurants, I always sat in the non-smoking area and went outside to smoke.No major problem with smoking being banned where people are eating, outside or in. I don't think it should be banned in pub gardens per se though.
Excluding themselves. But we know loads about the secondary effects of smoking. As do I, both my parents smoked till I was 18Including themselves?
Excluding themselves. But we know loads about the secondary effects of smoking. As do I, both my parents smoked till I was 18
I would need to do some reading around it to be sure but my thought is that you’d still get stuff on the pub garden furniture even if there were negligible effect on the local air quality.Outdoors? What are the secondary effects? How do they compare to for example exhaust fumes or other contaminants? Genuine Qs. My gut says smoking in a beer garden has minimal impact on any third party’s health.
I would need to do some reading around it to be sure but my thought is that you’d still get stuff on the pub garden furniture even if there were negligible effect on the local air quality.
Unless it's tagged on to motoring?I think at this point it feels more a moral crusade than a public health one TBH.
I’m not entirely sure you get lung cancer by absorbing carcinogens from pub garden furniture through your arse whilst sitting on it.I would need to do some reading around it to be sure but my thought is that you’d still get stuff on the pub garden furniture even if there were negligible effect on the local air quality.
Still annoying as fuck to get vapour straight to the face from some selfish prick.When I smoked and smoking was allowed in restaurants, I always sat in the non-smoking area and went outside to smoke.
I think vaping should be treated slightly differently / less onerously than smoking as many of the health affecting chemicals aren't present.
If I was still a smoker, I would probably be an awkward bastard (hard to believe I know) and stand just outside the smoking exclusion zone and blow my smoke in to it.
You can’t seriously be using these arguments in favour of Cameron and Osborne?Near in mind that
(a) a note had been left saying there was no money left
(b) the Office for Budget Responsibility haven’t been established
So it probably was worse than he thought. Labour simply don’t have that excuse.
The fact is, Cameron and Osborne raised VAT having campaigned with “no plans” to raise taxes. For context, this is the same pair who tried to compare the government budget to that of a household and implied that our predicament was similar to that of Greece FFS.
Cringey and sad if they’re stooping to those kind of statements.Rachel Reeves and Starmer use similar language "the national credit card" etc. Depressing.
Surely if he bans smoking outside of pubs and in gardens then he’s going to close down ALL of the shisha bars….Is he fuck though !No major problem with smoking being banned where people are eating, outside or in. I don't think it should be banned in pub gardens per se though.
I don’t have a moral issue with smoking and freely admit I’d need to look into the data on it in terms of health effects.I think at this point it feels more a moral crusade than a public health one TBH.
Whilst much of what you have said is valid, as certainly wasn’t using the arguments in favour of Cameron and Osborne.You can’t seriously be using these arguments in favour of Cameron and Osborne?
The note saying ‘sorry old chap, there’s no money’ is a well worn joke at the time of power transfer.
As for the OBR, if you come to power and promise to cut everything to the bone, there’s a chance your shiny new forecasting body will have different projections from the previous administration’s.
The fact is, Cameron and Osborne raised VAT having campaigned with “no plans” to raise taxes. For context, this is the same pair who tried to compare the government budget to that of a household and implied that our predicament was similar to that of Greece FFS
Anyone doing that is an arsehole.Still annoying as fuck to get vapour straight to the face from some selfish prick.
Had it at the football, of course when I challenged them on it, I got the standard less than contrite reply.
People are just selfish wankers, though, so doubt law will change that!
Having just heard part of Kier's message it seems anyone born is a captive of the state, you can't even die how you choose!!I miss the smell of smoking / pipes etc in the ground, reminds me of my early days watching football
Remains to be seen thoughWhilst much of what you have said is valid, as certainly wasn’t using the arguments in favour of Cameron and Osborne.
The first point (a) is seen as a joke now, because the author of the note realised after the event what a stupid thing it was to put in writing. The second point (b) about the OBR. Is a statement of fact. Governments finances are reviewed by the OBR and hence are pretty much an open book and hence Starmer and Reeves are lying when they said things are worse than they expected. Things have, of course, become worse because of decision that have made in their 7 weeks in office.
Drawing attention to Cameron and Osborne is unhelpful to your argument as Starmer has said that his government will be different. A whole 7 weeks in power seems to suggest otherwise, same old lies same old croneyism- just a different set of croneys.
It’s already evident, what remains to be seen is how worse it gets in October. Starmer suggest it’s going to get a lot worse.Having just heard part of Kier's message it seems anyone born is a captive of the state, you can't even die how you choose!!
Remains to be seen though
The ‘note’ was not a new thing. Just a joke that had been done before. This time it got weaponised, hence the regret of the bloke who chose to do it in 2010.Whilst much of what you have said is valid, as certainly wasn’t using the arguments in favour of Cameron and Osborne.
The first point (a) is seen as a joke now, because the author of the note realised after the event what a stupid thing it was to put in writing. The second point (b) about the OBR. Is a statement of fact. Governments finances are reviewed by the OBR and therefore are pretty much an open book and hence Starmer and Reeves are lying when they said things are worse than they expected. Things have, of course, become worse because of decision that have made in their 7 weeks in office. Come to think about it, that is what you have identified- the black hole is where the Ming vase was dropped and Labour’s costly hidden intentions became a reality.
Drawing attention to Cameron and Osborne is unhelpful to your argument as Starmer has said that his government will be different. A whole 7 weeks in power seems to suggest otherwise, same old lies same old croneyism- just a different set of croneys.
I don’t have a moral issue with smoking and freely admit I’d need to look into the data on it in terms of health effects.
Surely if he bans smoking outside of pubs and in gardens then he’s going to close down ALL of the shisha bars….Is he fuck though !
Just under 2 stone away from not having an overweight BMI I’ll have you know!Anyway, you’re next fatty. Unless the cost of Ozempic comes down.
Just under 2 stone away from not having an overweight BMI I’ll have you know!
Funnily enough one of the first things that came up when I googled to see if this was complete bollocks was how long some carcinogens last on surfaces. It was part of a study where they’d looked how badly children’s heath was being impacted when parents only smoked outside and their exposure was 5 times that of non smoking householdsI’m not entirely sure you get lung cancer by absorbing carcinogens from pub garden furniture through your arse whilst sitting on it.
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