Brighton Sky Blue
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Maybe the point here is that public sector workers being pitted against private sector workers is in the interests of neither and that both in fact need to thrive for society as a whole to function.
Maybe the point here is that public sector workers being pitted against private sector workers is in the interests of neither and that both in fact need to thrive for society as a whole to function.I started out in science. Not sure what that proves
The train drivers are going to get hit in the budget then I'd say?From those data, it looks like we as individuals shell out as much as France and Sweden, and not a million miles behind anyone - it is the EMPLOYERS' SSC which is pathetically low compared to other European nations. Denmark is something of an outlier at 35% income tax?? Seriously?? What is their median salary?
Both industries without merit in your view? Be kind, I bruise easily.
I didn’t realise big pharma wasn’t such an organisationThey are not private organisations which have huge arrays of different workers with complex challenges regarding their workforce - the make believe scenarios you describe just do not happen
I didn’t realise big pharma wasn’t such an organisation
This whole debate proves my point about how silly it is for workers from different sectors to be squabbling amongst themselves.It’s not an organisation that is in an environment that has to make frequent checks and balances and not just “pay what people are worth”
99% of businesses are SMEs - if they ran on your theoretical model most would be bust
This whole debate proves my point about how silly it is for workers from different sectors to be squabbling amongst themselves.
It’s what keeps you young GNo one is squabbling
That would be hilarious.The train drivers are going to get hit in the budget then I'd say?
From those data, it looks like we as individuals shell out as much as France and Sweden, and not a million miles behind anyone - it is the EMPLOYERS' SSC which is pathetically low compared to other European nations. Denmark is something of an outlier at 35% income tax?? Seriously?? What is their median salary?
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When inflation is very high many companies have a choice to offer below and preserve the workforce or sacrifice some workers. The car industry was destroyed in the late 70’s when ironically a Labour government negotiated a 5% pay freeze with private sector unions. The unions broke ranks and Vauxhall workers demanded 17%. The industry never recovered - the winter of discontent began
An example of a condition could’ve been you don’t strike if you get at least inflationary pay rises for the next x years ? Junior doctors could currently strike next year even if they are offered an inflation pay rise
Also, this is public money, why wouldn’t everyone want things to improve if it was possible and not detrimental to the individuals ?
ps do people even know that he BMA voted to limit/restrict the amount of medical students in 2008 ?!
BMA meeting: Doctors vote to limit number of medical students
Delegates at the annual BMA conference voted by a narrow majority to restrict the number of places at medical schools to avoid “overproduction of doctors with limited career opportunities.” They also agreed on a complete ban on opening new medical schools. David Sochart, from Manchester and...www.bmj.com
Vauxhall still make cars in the UK don't they?
Workers cannot be expected to sustain deflated wages, I'm really not sure what the benefit of not maintaining doctors' pay with inflation is?
Well quite! If our median salary was £60K, we could all afford to pay more taxes - and those who are paid £60K pay FAR more in tax (due to the fixed basic rate tax threshold). So that adds to your previous threads where you have said everyone in this country needs to be paid A LOT more! Not just junior doctors, not just train drivers, but teachers, scientists (public, private and third sector), nursery and adult care workers.This suggests it’s about £60k! (Assuming Google currency conversion isnworking)
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Well quite! If our median salary was £60K, we could all afford to pay more taxes - and those who are paid £60K pay FAR more in tax (due to the fixed basic rate tax threshold). So that adds to your previous threads where you have said everyone in this country needs to be paid A LOT more! Not just junior doctors, not just train drivers, but teachers, scientists (public, private and third sector), nursery and adult care workers.
But .. WHERE does that money come from? It's a nice (if somewhat utopian) idea, but most companies would go under, and the public purse can't afford to pay that to public sector workers. Is Denmark a very cheap company to run, i wonder? What is their health provision, for example?
Not striking me as a country where they’re working themselves until they drop tbh, if anything it seems the opposite.Productivity improvements is the only answer I’ve got.
They haven’t had a Maggie Thatcher come along to persuade the country that there is no such thing as society, would be my observationNot striking me as a country where they’re working themselves until they drop tbh, if anything it seems the opposite.
If you wander past office blocks around 5pm they’ve already emptied out and locked up. I’m often in the office until 7 or 8pm and I’m sure I’m not the only one.
Maybe the question should be if they can do it why can’t we? The appearance here is very much of a happy and healthy population, what are they doing that we aren’t?
Not striking me as a country where they’re working themselves until they drop tbh, if anything it seems the opposite.
If you wander past office blocks around 5pm they’ve already emptied out and locked up. I’m often in the office until 7 or 8pm and I’m sure I’m not the only one.
Maybe the question should be if they can do it why can’t we? The appearance here is very much of a happy and healthy population, what are they doing that we aren’t?
To ask a very naive question, but how is it quantified?Productivity isn’t about hours worked as much as impact of those hours. If their businesses invest in automation or other tech, if their time isn’t spent waiting in traffic, if their staff are skilled, etc.
Not an expert but from what I understand the UKs productivity issues stem from a mix of workers not being able to go where it’s most productive due to London being where all the productive jobs are and housing and transport being expensive, and SMEs not being particularly productive. Not sure why the latter exactly.
To ask a very naive question, but how is it quantified?
This is probably why we’re fucked. We will ignore evidence because the vibes feel wrong. Look at the reaction to mention of things like working from home, 4 day week, UBI.Productivity isn’t about hours worked as much as impact of those hours. If their businesses invest in automation or other tech, if their time isn’t spent waiting in traffic, if their staff are skilled, etc.
Not an expert but from what I understand the UKs productivity issues stem from a mix of workers not being able to go where it’s most productive due to London being where all the productive jobs are and housing and transport being expensive, and SMEs not being particularly productive. Not sure why the latter exactly.
I wonder how this will be received. I don’t smoke and gave up vaping 12 months ago so doesn’t affect me, but it seems wrong in principle to ban smoking in the open air.
Keir Starmer does not rule out outdoor smoking ban proposal
Leaked Whitehall documents reveal plans to extend indoor smoking ban to certain outside spaces, such as pub gardenswww.theguardian.com
That’s exactly how I feel. However, god knows how much other taxes would have to be raised to make up for the loss of tobacco duty.I think it’s bollocks. But I thought the smoking ban was bollocks too.
Just fucking ban it if that’s what you want and stop trying to do it through the back door.
At least it would promote entrepreneurs as they develop county lines to sell contraband tobacco products.I think it’s bollocks. But I thought the smoking ban was bollocks too.
Just fucking ban it if that’s what you want and stop trying to do it through the back door.
At least it would promote entrepreneurs as they develop county lines to sell contraband tobacco products.
If people want to breathe that shite in then they can do it in the comfort of their own homes, but polluting the air or public places with it can get in the bin.
I smell more cannabis smoke when I’m out and about than tobacco these days. At least that’s what MrsMalc tells me it is.So I can’t smoke in my home or car because of kids, can’t smoke indoors anywhere public, now can’t smoke outdoors either, I assume not in my garden for the same logic as my house and car.
As I say, just stop fannying about and ban it. At least illegal tobacco is cheap.
You bloody scientists! Well, chemistsTo ask a very naive question, but how is it quantified?
I wonder how this will be received. I don’t smoke and gave up vaping 12 months ago so doesn’t affect me, but it seems wrong in principle to ban smoking and vaping in the open air - including outside football grounds.
Keir Starmer does not rule out outdoor smoking ban proposal
Leaked Whitehall documents reveal plans to extend indoor smoking ban to certain outside spaces, such as pub gardenswww.theguardian.com
I come from a working environment where I have to provide proof that room temperature is actually 25You bloody scientists! Well, chemists
You'll be asking if the results are reproducible next!!
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