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PVA

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,386
Grendel said:
What? Even by your standards this is bizarre.
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It's an Internet meme. I wouldn't expect someone who posted this gif earlier to understand.


Grendel said:
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Grendel

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,387
PVA said:
It's an Internet meme. I wouldn't expect someone who posted this gif earlier to understand.
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Not really I thought it was rather pathetic to be honest. Though given your posting history it doesn’t surprise me.
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,388
Grendel said:
Not really I thought it was rather pathetic to be honest. Though given your posting history it doesn’t surprise me.
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Things Grendel wants to see on SBT


 

Grendel

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,389
PVA said:
Things Grendel wants to see on SBT


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I don’t want to see racism or memes about rape or jokes about child sex abuse - something that seems something you are very comfortable with
 
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PVA

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,390
I haven't joked about child sex abuse, unless you have as well because you used the same joke back to someone. So fuck off with that.
 

chiefdave

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,391
MalcSB said:
So why is there a shortage of drivers, and why don’t companies train trainloads so there is some competition for jobs?
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Same reason we have ROSCOs rather than buying our own rolling stock, same reason there's fuck all development by the TOCs - remember who paid for the station at the stadium. They won't pay for anything that cuts into their profit.

So they demand fully qualified and experienced drivers.
 

Grendel

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,392
PVA said:
I haven't joked about child sex abuse, unless you have as well because you used the same joke back to someone. So fuck off with that.
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I didn’t
 

MalcSB

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,393
chiefdave said:
Same reason we have ROSCOs rather than buying our own rolling stock, same reason there's fuck all development by the TOCs - remember who paid for the station at the stadium. They won't pay for anything that cuts into their profit.

So they demand fully qualified and experienced drivers.
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Oh well, wil be nationalised in due course and everything will be hunkdory.

I guess the problem is that in the meantime there is no incentive for the operators to invest in anything.
 

MalcSB

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,394
fernandopartridge said:
If is doing some exceptionally heavy lifting there
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Anyone buying a modern car can see the amount if semi automation that is now in built. Adaptive cruise control, lane keeping, self drive through junctions and roundabouts, collision prevention, pedestrian avoidance etc etc.

I really should have said that, compared with automation of road traffic, the railway should be a piece of piss.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,395
MalcSB said:
Oh well, wil be nationalised in due course and everything will be hunkdory.

I guess the problem is that in the meantime there is no incentive for the operators to invest in anything.
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Yeah I’m sure they were juuuust about to. No worries we’ve still got the great efficient private sector water suppliers.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,396
shmmeee said:
Yeah I’m sure they were juuuust about to. No worries we’ve still got the great efficient private sector water suppliers.
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I do actually share your cynicism re: railway investment, but the nationalisation agenda must be the final nail in that particular coffin.

Water should never have been privatised. It does piss me off how they have paid significant dividends to investors and then plead poverty when it comes to cleaning up their act.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,397
Reeves was lying about the inherited economic position being the worst since 1945:-

Why solid growth complicates the Budget masterplan​

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Faisal Islam
Economics editor

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The latest data on the UK economy revealed it grew solidly between April and June, as it did in the previous three months. The figures clearly show a turning point in the spring as the UK continued its recovery from the brief recession at the end of 2023.
The 0.7% growth in the first quarter and the 0.6% that followed are not a boom. But it is a welcome return to more normal growth, after three years of crisis. And at the same time, inflation figures have returned to more normal levels.
In 2024 so far, the UK has grown the fastest of all the G7 advanced economies, even more than the US.
While the picture is different over longer timeframes or if population growth is factored in, it raises reasonable questions about the “grim economic inheritance” claimed by the new government from its predecessor.
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,398
MalcSB said:
Reeves was lying about the inherited economic position being the worst since 1945:-

Why solid growth complicates the Budget masterplan​

IMAGE SOURCE, GETTY IMAGES
Faisal Islam
Economics editor

    • Published
      4 hours ago
The latest data on the UK economy revealed it grew solidly between April and June, as it did in the previous three months. The figures clearly show a turning point in the spring as the UK continued its recovery from the brief recession at the end of 2023.
The 0.7% growth in the first quarter and the 0.6% that followed are not a boom. But it is a welcome return to more normal growth, after three years of crisis. And at the same time, inflation figures have returned to more normal levels.
In 2024 so far, the UK has grown the fastest of all the G7 advanced economies, even more than the US.
While the picture is different over longer timeframes or if population growth is factored in, it raises reasonable questions about the “grim economic inheritance” claimed by the new government from its predecessor.
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Begs the question doesn't it,why did he go for it, I'd wager it was to prevent the nutters from taking over, trouble is a new type nutter.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,399
wingy said:
Begs the question doesn't it,why did he go for it, I'd wager it was to prevent the nutters from taking over, trouble is a new type nutter.
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That’s the rumour.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,400
Labour: our spending plans rely on growth

Press: Ha! unlikely!

Economy: *grows*

Press: More bad news for Labour.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,401
shmmeee said:
Labour: our spending plans rely on growth

Press: Ha! unlikely!

Economy: *grows*

Press: More bad news for Labour.
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Labour can’t take credit for the growth to date in 2024.

Some sections of the press do not believe that the economy will grow under Labour: it is of course far to early to tell.

The point here is that Reeves lied about the state of the economy she had inherited to justify actions which weren’t in the manifesto and which Labour politicians had argued against before the election.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,402
MalcSB said:
Labour can’t take credit for the growth to date in 2024.

Some sections of the press do not believe that the economy will grow under Labour: it is of course far to early to tell.

The point here is that Reeves lied about the state of the economy she had inherited to justify actions which weren’t in the manifesto and which Labour politicians had argued against before the election.
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Who cares who takes credit. The economy growing is never a bad thing for the government. Total Westminster brainworm to think otherwise.
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,403
Oh, maybe not time for celebration just yet.

 
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wingy

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  • Aug 15, 2024
  • #42,404
shmmeee said:
Oh, maybe not time for celebration just yet.

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Largely down to the BOE, as usual or will be intimately if they don't start cutting soon, currency still a little high IMO!
 

MalcSB

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,405
shmmeee said:
Oh, maybe not time for celebration just yet.

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Wonder what that looks like if you take immigration numbers out of it.
And that is 2023, the BBC is reporting best growth of G7 in 2024 following a brief recession in 2023,
 

MalcSB

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,406
shmmeee said:
Who cares who takes credit. The economy growing is never a bad thing for the government. Total Westminster brainworm to think otherwise.
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If nobody cares who takes the credit, then logically nobody should care who takes the blame if things go pear shaped. Certainly not the Labour messaging,
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,407
MalcSB said:
If nobody cares who takes the credit, then logically nobody should care who takes the blame if things go pear shaped. Certainly not the Labour messaging,
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You’re desperate to avoid the point I’m making huh?
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,408
MalcSB said:
Wonder what that looks like if you take immigration numbers out of it.
And that is 2023, the BBC is reporting best growth of G7 in 2024 following a brief recession in 2023,
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The point is in 2023 the economy tanked. You’d hope there was growth in 2024. It’s not the sign of a strong economy. It’s a dead cat bounce.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,409
shmmeee said:
You’re desperate to avoid the point I’m making huh?
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As are you avoiding mine, Reeves has lied and has used the lie to justify penalising pensioners and cutting infrastructure projects.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,410
shmmeee said:
Labour: our spending plans rely on growth

Press: Ha! unlikely!

Economy: *grows*

Press: More bad news for Labour.
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Or an alternative version….

Labour: our spending plans rely on growth and we shouldn’t have to raise taxes

Economy: grows strongly for two quarters and inflation back to normalish leading to BoE rate cut

Labour: we’ve inherited a big financial hole we didn’t know about so will have to cut some investment projects and reduce some benefits to pensioners

Press: but you’ve just authorised a load of above inflation public sector pay rises without any strings such as future work practice efficiencies or no strike clause in the short term

Labour: it’s all about the financial black hole baby…oh and we can’t rule out a few sneaky tax rises in October either

ps excuse some artistic licence on timings
 
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shmmeee

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,411
CCFCSteve said:
Or an alternative version….

Labour: our spending plans rely on growth and we shouldn’t have to raise taxes

Economy: grows strongly for two quarters and inflation back to normalish leading to BoE rate cut

Labour: we’ve inherited a big financial hole we didn’t know about so will have to cut some investment projects and reduce some benefits to pensioners

Press: but you’ve just authorised a load of above inflation public sector pay rises without any strings such as future work practice efficiencies or no strike clause in the short term

Labour: it’s all about the financial black hole baby…oh and we can’t rule out a few sneaky tax rises in October either

ps excuse some artistic licence on timings
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In what way are the pay rises above inflation?
 

shmmeee

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,412
MalcSB said:
As are you avoiding mine, Reeves has lied and has used the lie to justify penalising pensioners and cutting infrastructure projects.
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What lie?

Look around you. What’s working? Prisons? Schools? Transport? Anything?

The Tories have avoided governing for four years. The economy having growth after tanking doesn’t change that. Don’t just repeat what you read in the papers.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,413
shmmeee said:
In what way are the pay rises above inflation?
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Current year and likely future for train divers. I’ve actually got no issue with the pay rises themselves but not to put a couple of conditions/pre conditions in is unwise
 

MalcSB

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,414
CCFCSteve said:
Current year and likely future for train divers. I’ve actually got no issue with the pay rises themselves but not to put a couple of conditions/pre conditions in is unwise
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A contractual requirement to work on Sundays would be a start.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,415
shmmeee said:
What lie?

Look around you. What’s working? Prisons? Schools? Transport? Anything?

The Tories have avoided governing for four years. The economy having growth after tanking doesn’t change that. Don’t just repeat what you read in the papers.
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The lie that the economy is worse than at any time since the end of the Second World War.

If what she wants to do is give pay awards greater than current inflation with no productivity or modernisation conditions then own it and admit the consequences for taxpayers. Don’t lie that the state of the economy has come as a surprise - if anything has come as a surprise to her it is probably the strength of the economic recovery.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,416
MalcSB said:
A contractual requirement to work on Sundays would be a start.
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Im all for workers rights and making sure people aren’t mistreated but some of the below were hardly ‘workhouse rules’ and may actually make the whole service run better

The rail industry makes offer to ASLEF to drive up performance for passengers | Rail Delivery Group News

News from Rail Delivery Group
media.raildeliverygroup.com
 
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MalcSB

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,417
CCFCSteve said:
Im all for workers rights and making sure people aren’t mistreated but some of the below were hardly ‘workhouse rules’ and may actually make the whole service run better

The rail industry makes offer to ASLEF to drive up performance for passengers | Rail Delivery Group News

News from Rail Delivery Group
media.raildeliverygroup.com
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The cheek of wanting staff to use tablets and smart phones within their slave labour pay rate of £69,000 p.a..
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,418
MalcSB said:
The lie that the economy is worse than at any time since the end of the Second World War.

If what she wants to do is give pay awards greater than current inflation with no productivity or modernisation conditions then own it and admit the consequences for taxpayers. Don’t lie that the state of the economy has come as a surprise - if anything has come as a surprise to her it is probably the strength of the economic recovery.
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You’re annoyed at what, some above inflation pay rises after 14 years of real term pay cuts?
 
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wingy

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,419
MalcSB said:
Labour can’t take credit for the growth to date in 2024.

Some sections of the press do not believe that the economy will grow under Labour: it is of course far to early to tell.

The point here is that Reeves lied about the state of the economy she had inherited to justify actions which weren’t in the manifesto and which Labour politicians had argued against before the election.
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There is some Brexit underperformance that has to be accounted for £40B a year,so a net difference of 20-30B doesn't seem to wild really?
 

MalcSB

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  • Aug 16, 2024
  • #42,420
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You’re annoyed at what, some above inflation pay rises after 14 years of real term pay cuts?
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If you read what I posted, it’s the lies I’m annoyed about. Take whatever decisions you see fit, but don’t blame the worst economic performance since the Second World War for the consequences on other sectors of the economy, when it simply isn’t the truth - and was clearly the intention before the election.

TBH the train drivers offer is fucking barking and without any agreements on modernised working practices.
 
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