skybluetony176
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I think eventually Boris will be the Tories Blair. And he’d have earned it. Flag waving only gets you so far. Cool Britannia and all that.
I think eventually Boris will be the Tories Blair. And he’d have earned it. Flag waving only gets you so far. Cool Britannia and all that.Noted: don’t vote for Tony Blair next election.
I think eventually Boris will be the Tories Blair. And he’d have earned it. Flag waving only gets you so far. Cool Britannia and all that.
Boris Johnson dreams of being half the politician Blair was. Say what you like about his decisions but Blair was always across the detail of his brief. Thatcher was the Tory Blair, there are Thatcherites and Blairites in both parties still, there’ll never be Johnsonites.
Blair had Campbell at the heart of government who was implicit in a suspicious motive for a war and also the death of an individual who was bullied and harangued.
It’s OK, Grendull is clearly criticising Boris’ judgment.Does that make it OK to have Cummings in such an influential role?
Laura Kuenssberg is going to be scapegoated as well as he's just admitted her he used her as a press mouthpiece.
A stretch in every sense to associate her with journalism. Secretary of State for propaganda would be more fitting.She hasn't done her job properly, she deserves whatever comes her way. A poor excuse for a journalist.
Boris Johnson dreams of being half the politician Blair was. Say what you like about his decisions but Blair was always across the detail of his brief. Thatcher was the Tory Blair, there are Thatcherites and Blairites in both parties still, there’ll never be Johnsonites.
Yep Cummings just said that in so many words that he would be prepared to pay for human guinea pig trials on for people for Covid.
Wouldn't just affect the poorest in society. No sir.
The machiavellian tendencies are crazy with him.
In a surprise to virtually no-one.He's basically showing traits of a psychopath
Yep Cummings just said that in so many words that he would be prepared to pay for human guinea pig trials on for people for Covid.
Wouldn't just affect the poorest in society. No sir.
The machiavellian tendencies are crazy with him.
He’s right though. If you’re going to kill thousands or even millions indiscriminately while you go through a slower process, you’d be mad not to try and get an order of magnitude fewer volunteers to speed it up.
Seriously though, it is against everything that a commonwealth is set up for. Basic Human Rights.
? I’ve only had it on in the background while I’m working so might have misheard but I thought he was talking about finding people who would volunteer and get huge payments if things went wrong. Where’s the human rights issue?
Yes poor people would be attracted to it, but that’s true about literally anything involving remuneration. We do this on a smaller scale with medical testing already, I had a mate at Uni who got paid to do testing. This is just increasing the risk/reward calculation.
Can't really believe I need to explain this.
Show me a trail anywhere where there is a significant chance that a healthy person might die from the trial.
I do wish you wouldn’t do the riddle me this shite. Just say what your point is. I’m guessing it’s that new virus vaccines are significantly higher risk at outset than medical trials are. And yes, I know, that’s why I said the risk reward profile changes. Stopping millions of deaths is possible in a new vaccine but not normal medical tests so the reward is much higher allowing a higher risk for the same moral calculation.
Again, it would be voluntary. This is a basic trolley problem but you can only ask people to step in front of the trolley instead of pulling a lever.
It's what I don't get. He's throwing himself under the bus as much as anyone else. He was a major player and advisor at this time, so whatever happened is on him too, regardless of what he says. If he thinks he shouldn't have been in that position, there was nothing stopping him saying 'No - I'm not suitable'.
Also he's doing it confirming what I've always thought. He is a bitter vile c*** who couldn't give a shit about the truth. This is all a grudge about getting sacked.
Annoyingly the govt will prob get away with it purely because it's coming from his mouth, and no-one believes a word he says. It's like he watched The Thick Of It and used it as a training manual.
I know many don’t like Hunt but he’s too good to be on back benches and we would’ve been far better having him in role than Hancock (not saying much I appreciate)
Spot on. I think Hancock is in big trouble though (rightly, as he’s well out of this depth).
Watched quite a bit this morning, very interesting. If I get this right he’s said government was shit, civil service was shit, initial scientific advice was shit, Johnson was shit and should never be PM (even though he helped him get in the job), Hancock was double shit, Sunak was ok and he (Cummings) tried but nobody listened....but he should never have been in that role anyway
Ps I know many don’t like Hunt but he’s too good to be on back benches and we would’ve been far better having him in role than Hancock (not saying much I appreciate)
They are all just cunts.
Their job is to be electable and to represent the country and the people in the best way. Yet nearly none of them across any party seems to do a good job, let alone actually mean well in the first place which should be the basics.
Where is V for Vendetta when you need him.
Hancock answering questions today.
No doubt he'll be complaining about the tone of the questions and telling everyone how many lives he saved.
Probably been practicing the crocodile tears again.
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