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shmmeee

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,106
Nvidia became the world’s most valuable company with an almost entirely WFH staff. Blaming it is cope from bad managers.
 
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tisza

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,107
fernandopartridge said:
You talk about it being 'bloated' so what do you think the correct number is and why?

UK is below the OECD average: Share of people employed in government by country 2019 | Statista
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Those stats don't apply solely to civil service. Many of those countries utilities & railways (for example) are still govt-owned and so included in these particular OECD stats. UK civil service is currently aound the 510 k mark. Not sure where I said bloated but the context was why it was still contracting out so much work when employee numbers had risen so much.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,108
shmmeee said:
Nvidia became the world’s most valuable company with an almost entirely WFH staff. Blaming it is cope from bad managers.
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It depends on the managers, where I worked last he hated WFH even though people were much more productive with certain things. It's a control thing, even if the work is all done faster and things get done. He didn't want it because he couldn't see what was going on.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,109
shmmeee said:
Nvidia became the world’s most valuable company with an almost entirely WFH staff. Blaming it is cope from bad managers.
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It’s a bit different, the Nvidia staff benefitted from share schemes that made many millionaires. Their hard work and productivity ultimately helped increase the value of the company and therefore they were highly incentivised as they benefitted personally

Productivity in the public sector is down 7% from pre pandemic levels. I’m guessing this will be for a variety of reasons like ill health, strikes etc as well as possibly WFH. ultimately in large organisations (private and public) where it’s hard to monitor specific tasks etc certain people can and will hide more when WFH. It’s the reason why many large private organisations have pushed for return to the office. This just wouldn’t happen if productivity was as high/higher than pre pandemic

FWIW I think flexible working is a good thing overall. However, I do think 100% WFH in certain roles and/or for certain people isn’t.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,110
David O'Day said:
there is not going to be any austerity, if you think there is I have a bridge i'd love to sell you
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How's this one going Dave?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,111
Tough choices

Reeves says winter fuel payments to be restricted to poorer pensioners​

Reeves says pensioners not in receipt of pension credit will no longer get the winter fuel payment.

That means it will only go to poorer pensioners.

She says this is not a decision she wanted or expected to make.

But this is an urgent decision she has to make.
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Reeves said adult social care charging reforms delayed by the Tories (imposing a cap on how much people have to pay for adult social care) will not be taken forward, saving more than £1bn by the end of next year.
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,112
This is just nauseating

Reeves says he will set up a new Office of Value for Money, to make public spending more effective.
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Presumably the set up and operating costs of that office will be zero and its role in relation to the OBR crystal clear.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,113
skybluetony176 said:
I think they’ve been mainly caused by Brexit though, replacing bureaucrats in Brussels with bureaucrats in the UK and to do the extra bureaucracy caused by Brexit.

After the 2010 spending review we lost over a 100K civil servants right up to 2016. We’ve not necessarily been reinstating the jobs lost to austerity.

There’s also no measurable loss in productivity at the HMRC through working from home. Whatever issues HMRC is having there’s no evidence that it’s due to WFH. Even the Tories couldn’t fudge the figures to prove it regardless of what the likes of Rees-Mogg were claiming while in government. The official figure is 57% of HMRC staff by the way, it also doesn’t mean that they never go into the office, it actually means that they go in 3 days a week and WFH the other 2.
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Yeah, I think the initial increase was brexit driven, then they were supposed to reduce numbers in 2019/20 but the pandemic came along. Think we’re still carrying those higher numbers

So we’re carrying 140k more civil servants (civil service not public sector workers) than previously, public sector productivity is way below pre pandemic levels and consultants fees running into billions, somethings not quite right.

This isn’t an anti public sector post, I’d personally rather a lot of any cash savings filtered through to the lowest paid in the public sector and used to incentivise higher productivity and better performance
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,114
So we have 22% pay rises for Junior Doctors over 2 years and further un-budgeted 5% pay rises for other Public employees when inflation is 2%. I am sure private sector unions will be looking at this with interest.

"It is the responsible thing to do to fix the foundations of our economy and bring back economic stability."

OK Rachel
 

MalcSB

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,115
fernandopartridge said:
Tough choices
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Bastards.

Although, on reflection, no pensioners should need the winter fuel payment because Labour are going to reduce every bodies fuel bills by £300 a year.

Oh, hang on a minute, they can’t guarantee that promise because the cost of fossil fuels is so volatile.

Hang on another minute, why should that make any difference when electricity will be carbon free?

Hang on yet another minute apparently there will be a reliance on fossil fuels for many years. So why cancel new exploration licences - or have they been cancelled.

Many on here have expected competence from this government. What we are getting is confusion and lies.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,116
MalcSB said:
Bastards.

Although, on reflection, no pensioners should need the winter fuel payment because Labour are going to reduce every bodies fuel bills by £300 a year.

Oh, hang on a minute, they can’t guarantee that promise because the cost of fossil fuels is so volatile.

Hang on another minute, why should that make any difference when electricity will be carbon free?

Hang on yet another minute apparently there will be a reliance on fossil fuels for many years. So why cancel new exploration licences - or have they been cancelled.

Many on here have expected competence from this government. What we are getting is confusion and lies.
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Where is @PVA and @David O'Day
 

Ian1779

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,117
Grendel said:
Where is @PVA and @David O'Day
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Being briefed currently.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,118
Ian1779 said:
Being briefed currently.
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By @shmmeee ? Even he seems to have seen what is ahead of us
 

torchomatic

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,119
Winter Fuel Payments to be means tested. About time.
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,120
Grendel said:
Where is @PVA and @David O'Day
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Enjoying the sunshine, you?

I don't agree with everything they have done, or will do, but if we're looking at competency then clearly there is lightyears between them and the previous government(s).
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,121
Grendel said:
Where is @PVA and @David O'Day
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PVA waiting to see what some centrist berk on Twitter thinks
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,122
fernandopartridge said:
PVA waiting to see what some centrist berk on Twitter thinks
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Not sure why being a centrist is such a bad thing. No party will EVER get in Government without them.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,123
fernandopartridge said:
PVA waiting to see what some centrist berk on Twitter thinks
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Berk is a much underused derogatory description these days
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,124
torchomatic said:
Not sure why being a centrist is such a bad thing. No party will EVER get in Government without them.
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It's amusing seeing the left and right nosh each other off.
 

torchomatic

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,125
PVA said:
It's amusing seeing the left and right nosh each other off.
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It's the horseshoe thing, isn't it?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,126
PVA said:
It's amusing seeing the left and right nosh each other off.
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The funny think is Torch thinks he is left wing but essentially is looking at the John Major Tory party reincarnated and supporting it
 

torchomatic

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,127
Grendel said:
The funny think is Torch thinks he is left wing but essentially is looking at the John Major Tory party reincarnated and supporting it
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If you say so.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,128
Imagine Nye Bevan was a centrist

1. “Illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune the cost of which should be shared by the community.”

1. “Illness is neither an indulgence for which, subject to their means, people have to pay, nor an offence for which they should be penalised, but a misfortune the cost of which capped at the value of x per x should be shared by the community to the extent allowable by my cast iron fiscal rules.”
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,129
torchomatic said:
It's the horseshoe thing, isn't it?
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Embarrassing
 

torchomatic

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,130
Labour to set up anti-Covid contract corruption probe. Hopefully, they'll be nowhere to hide for Michelle Mone and other friends of Tory Ministers.
 
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Nick

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,131
torchomatic said:
Labour to set up anti-Covid contract corruption probe. Hopefully, they'll be nowhere to hide for Michelle Mone and other friends of Tory Ministers.
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Carried out for millions by friends of labour ministers?
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,132
torchomatic said:
Labour to set up anti-Covid contract corruption probe. Hopefully, they'll be nowhere to hide for Michelle Mone and other friends of Tory Ministers.
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Fantastic - that'll help put the heating on for people won't it?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,133
torchomatic said:
If you say so.
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in what ways are he and Starmer different? Reeves is a classic moderate Tory chancellor in the same way as Lamont - it’s funny you think you are a Labour man. Bevin would laugh in your face.
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,134
fernandopartridge said:
Fantastic - that'll help put the heating on for people won't it?
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Whips up the mob and will fool a few
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,135
Grendel said:
Bevin would laugh in your face.
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You are so cringe it is unbelievable, so desperate to be liked by your new pals on the left
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,136
PVA said:
You are so cringe it is unbelievable, so desperate to be liked by your new pals on the left
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I have zero pals on the left. Admiration for at least sticking to principles but I’ve always said this essentially is a Tory government from the Major years and even some elements of Thatcherism but with a far weaker leader.

Enjoy.

I certainly have more respect for people who believe in Labour princip of McDonnell and Foot rather than pretend they are hip and cool by wearing a red rosette but are manipulated by twitter vibes into thinking they are remotely left wing.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,137
Grendel said:
I have zero pals on the left. Admiration for at least sticking to principles but I’ve always said this essentially is a Tory government from the Major years and even some elements of Thatcherism but with a far weaker leader.

Enjoy.

I certainly have more respect for people who believe in Labour princip of McDonnell and Foot rather than pretend they are hip and cool by wearing a red rosette but are manipulated by twitter vibes into thinking they are remotely left wing.
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I’m not sure you can say that taking money away from pensioners to help cover above inflation pay rises for the public sector is your standard Tory policy
 

Razzle Dazzle Dean Gordon

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,138
Grendel said:
So we have 22% pay rises for Junior Doctors over 2 years and further un-budgeted 5% pay rises for other Public employees when inflation is 2%. I am sure private sector unions will be looking at this with interest.

"It is the responsible thing to do to fix the foundations of our economy and bring back economic stability."

OK Rachel
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Your line of argument might work if previous public sector pay awards had been linked to the rate of inflation. They weren't. Something above inflation now will go some small way to repairing the gradual erosion over time of those employee's remuneration but there's a fuckong big delta all the same.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,139
PVA said:
It's amusing seeing the left and right nosh each other off.
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It’s like 2013 all over again, with you playing the role of the Sky Blue Trust, and Starmer playing the role of Preston Haskell IV
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 29, 2024
  • #42,140
Ian1779 said:
It’s like 2013 all over again, with you playing the role of the Sky Blue Trust, and Starmer playing the role of Preston Haskell IV
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