Exactly. They had to be suspended really. You can't win an election and then vote against your party/manifesto 5 minutes later at the first chance you get. The Corbynites have set their stall out early.
As you say, I expect the cap to be lifted at some point, hopefully very soon.
@PVA is remaining firmly loyal
Those bloody corbynites, wanting to lift children out of poverty.
You're doing that tragic thing again where you try and get involved.
But no, we've got s pretty similar stance actually - suspending the whip was right, not lifting the cap is wrong.
‘No time for hope… we’ve got grown up politics to do here’Those bloody corbynites, wanting to lift children out of poverty.
I don't know how many times this will need to be pointed out...
THIS WAS NOT A VOTE TO REMOVE THE CAP.
This vote has zero impact on child poverty.
Purely for show by the SNP
The stuff of dreams for PVAHere you go, I’ve sourced you a username picture to honour the good work you’ve done on behalf of Sir Keir.
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Of course - I’ll do it straight after Keir apologises to the MP’s he’s booted out for having the temerity to suggest that children shouldn’t be in poverty.So when the two child cap is lifted, either in the autumn statement or spring budget, will you all come back on here and admit you were wrong and apologise?
Doubt it.
Of course - I’ll do it straight after Keir apologises to the MP’s he’s booted out for having the temerity to suggest that children shouldn’t be in poverty.
So when the two child cap is lifted, either in the autumn statement or spring budget, will you all come back on here and admit you were wrong and apologise?
Doubt it.
We don’t have to borrow, we can always use government bonds to pay for infrastructure, nationalisation etc. I’ve always been led to believe that’s how we went through mass nationalisation during and after the war. It essentially doesn’t then cost the taxpayers anything other than interest on the bonds which should be being paid out of profits. Train operators are a different case as there’s the option of just letting the franchises run down but if you take the water companies which desperately need nationalising again. But the shares with government bonds (there is a train of thought that we could actually do this for less than current share prices as the debt would have to be considered against the share price) and then restructure the debt with government borrowing as the government can borrow at a much better rate than commercial borrowing so the debt is cheaper to maintain. I’ve read a couple of articles on it now and they suggest that the debt could be settled in 5 years and the water companies can then be run with the sole purpose of cleaning up waterways through modernisation while offering best value to the customer instead of being a vehicle to load debt against so you can pay out bonuses and dividends, which seems to be their primary purpose as things stand.Day to day spending largely yes. But borrowing is problematic as you need to then service the interest (in theory, but no country seems to care about getting into more and more debt).
For major infrastructure, printing for growth needs to be considered for the benefits and also compare the inflationary and potential devaluation of the currency against other forms of finance.
As I've said before, it's not something you want to be doing all the time, but at the same time you don't want to dismiss it completely. That idea is simplistic and outdated.
You’re the political equivalent of every Sky Blue Trust lackey that went balls deep with anyone that pretended they would take over the club.I mean this shit is exactly why you never got near government.
I really can't be arsed with this
I mean this shit is exactly why an actual genuine Labour Party never got near government.
I really can't be arsed with this
So when the two child cap is lifted, either in the autumn statement or spring budget, will you all come back on here and admit you were wrong and apologise?
Doubt it.
His dad was a toolmakerYou’re the political equivalent of every Sky Blue Trust lackey that went balls deep with anyone that pretended they would take over the club.
Embarrassing
Who's wrong about it? People are saying it should have been in the Kings speech, that won't be altered by lifting it in Autumn, though better late than never
Thats better
PVA hasn never heard of Clement Attlee
What's wrong is people saying that voting against a fantasy opposition amendment that was never going to pass means the Labour Party will not rest until every child in the land is living in poverty.
Was it in the manifesto?
You’re the political equivalent of every Sky Blue Trust lackey that went balls deep with anyone that pretended they would take over the club.
Embarrassing
It should have been in there in the first place.
Trying to amend bills is show?
If I look back to Labour's amendment to the Gaza bill proposed by the SNP what am I going to find you saying?
I'm just grown up enough
Probably thinks its a type of orange
I mean if even you are being critical of his approach then that says everything.
There you go again - acting like your interpretation of the situation is superior to others.What are you an about?
I want the cap lifted. You want the cap lifted.
I'm just grown up enough to see that this amendment has absolutely fucking zero bearing on it.
There you go again - acting like your interpretation of the situation is superior to others.
We’ve just gone through an election with the lowest turn out in 40 years. Your guy has a whopping majority yet couldn’t even muster 10 million votes. Trust and faith in politics is at an all time low.
In the meantime, Starmer has now suspended MP’s that votes to demonstrate their commitment to lift hundreds of thousands of kids out of poverty. Most people will not be interested in the minutiae of whether it was a tactical amendment or not.
That’s the bit in my reply you hung on to. Nice oneYou guys are really going to have to get past the number of votes thing. It’s really silly.
There you go again - acting like your interpretation of the situation is superior to others.
We’ve just gone through an election with the lowest turn out in 40 years. Your guy has a whopping majority yet couldn’t even muster 10 million votes. Trust and faith in politics is at an all time low.
In the meantime, Starmer has now suspended MP’s that voted to demonstrate their commitment to lift hundreds of thousands of kids out of poverty. Most people will not be interested in the minutiae of whether it was a tactical amendment or not.
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