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Grendel

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,826
MalcSB said:
I wonder what the Office for Budget Responsibility will make of it.
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Rachel Reeves on Sunday said it’s not happening

A U turn already
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,827
CCFCSteve said:
Not sure where the depth of feelings from. For all the noise even a majority of Labour voters support the policy

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It would be a bizarre thing to make spending commitments to in favour of much more pressing matters elsewhere. They do understand how shallow their majorities are right?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,828
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It would be a bizarre thing to make spending commitments to in favour of much more pressing matters elsewhere. They do understand how shallow their majorities are right?
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Theres going to be a lot of calls on cash. They desperately need growth to continue to improve and BoE rates to be cut asap to give them some wriggle room
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,829
CCFCSteve said:
Theres going to be a lot of calls on cash. They desperately need growth to continue to improve and BoE rates to be cut asap to give them some wriggle room
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And they’ve hamstrung themselves by their ridiculous comments on tax made during the election.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,830
Ian1779 said:
Think he has to. He’s underestimated the depth of feeling on the topic, and his argument to not afford it is flimsy at best considering he’s happy to essentially issue blank cheques to Ukraine.
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He’s really misjudged it. Using it as a sign that he won’t cave to the left. It’s going to change. Everyone in the party hates it.

If the left and right hands could work together he should have agreed with the left that they’d go after something else and leave him to do this. But worrying about this stuff in your first month is amateur hour. The mongs who got him through the election need to be jettisoned and he needs to actually govern now.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,831
Brighton Sky Blue said:
And they’ve hamstrung themselves by their ridiculous comments on tax made during the election.
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Yeah, agree. They didn’t need to make those tax commitments.

I expect we will all be taxed more in any event though
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,832
MalcSB said:
I wonder what the Office for Budget Responsibility will make of it.
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Who gives a fuck really? The tenure of that office has coincided with a prolonged fall in living standards, anaemic wage growth, significantly impaired public services and public realm. It should be abolished or its remit changed so that it measures against outcomes rather than a fabricated 'budget'.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,833
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, agree. They didn’t need to make those tax commitments.

I expect we will all be taxed more in any event though
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Which I have no problem with, but they were too scared to make the argument.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,834
fernandopartridge said:
Who gives a fuck really? The tenure of that office has coincided with a prolonged fall in living standards, anaemic wage growth, significantly impaired public services and public realm. It should be abolished or its remit changed so that it measures against outcomes rather than a fabricated 'budget'.
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Passing all economic policy to the OBR is batshit too. Why are we even electing politicians if the BoE and OBR make all the decisions?
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,835
shmmeee said:
Passing all economic policy to the OBR is batshit too. Why are we even electing politicians if the BoE and OBR make all the decisions?
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Thats what Liz Truss said
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,836
CCFCSteve said:
Thats what Liz Truss said
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It’s a citizens god given right to elect a mentalist that trashes the economy.

This is economics, there are no experts, just people with opinions and ideologies. The idea there’s such a thing as a neutral fact based observer is a nonsense.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,837
shmmeee said:
This is economics, there are no experts
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Well this is bollocks isn't it.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,838
shmmeee said:
It’s a citizens god given right to elect a mentalist that trashes the economy.

This is economics, there are no experts, just people with opinions and ideologies. The idea there’s such a thing as a neutral fact based observer is a nonsense.
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I said at the time that people should be concerned about the power of the markets/OBR etc (even though I thought truss was crazy). People ignored it at the time because it didn’t fit with their ideology .

I do think people jumping up and down three weeks into a new government before a budgets even been announced is a bit OTT though. If reeves and starmer get this right and ride the new government/stability wave, they’re likely to see a natural continued increase in growth* which will give them more to play with. Not sure many in the party and it’s supporters have the patience though

*inflation is also currently under control which should mean rate cuts and cheaper borrowing as well, which should free up more cash
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,839
CCFCSteve said:
I said at the time that people should be concerned about the power of the markets/OBR etc (even though I thought truss was crazy). People ignored it at the time because it didn’t fit with their ideology .

I do think people jumping up and down three weeks into a new government before a budgets even been announced is a bit OTT though. If reeves and starmer get this right and ride the new government/stability wave, they’re likely to see a natural continued increase in growth* which will give them more to play with. Not sure many in the party and it’s supporters have the patience though

*inflation is also currently under control which should mean rate cuts and cheaper borrowing as well, which should free up more cash
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Personally I'm just liking the fact the news headlines aren't about something ridiculous daily, anything else is a bonus!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,840
CCFCSteve said:
I said at the time that people should be concerned about the power of the markets/OBR etc (even though I thought truss was crazy). People ignored it at the time because it didn’t fit with their ideology .

I do think people jumping up and down three weeks into a new government before a budgets even been announced is a bit OTT though. If reeves and starmer get this right and ride the new government/stability wave, they’re likely to see a natural continued increase in growth* which will give them more to play with. Not sure many in the party and it’s supporters have the patience though

*inflation is also currently under control which should mean rate cuts and cheaper borrowing as well, which should free up more cash
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Oh no I agree. And hopefully the OBR stuff is just a sop to the idea of stability and like most self imposed government rules will last just as long as it’s politically expedient.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,841
Deleted member 5849 said:
Well this is bollocks isn't it.
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If economics was settled we wouldn’t have politics.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,842
shmmeee said:
Oh no I agree. And hopefully the OBR stuff is just a sop to the idea of stability and like most self imposed government rules will last just as long as it’s politically expedient.
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The problem will be without some independent assessment such as the OBR the markets will increase the cost of borrowing. Rightly or wrongly it’s for the government to put their case to the OBR how they believe any policy choices will help improve the economy, growth etc and/or indicate they have a semblance of perceived control over spending and debt

ps give Torp and Reeves at least until October/November
 

chiefdave

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,843
shmmeee said:
If economics was settled we wouldn’t have politics.
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I remember listening to an economics podcast where they were discussing how the drop out rate for economics degrees was high compared to other courses and the general consensus was that the more you study economics the more apparent it becomes that its all smoke and mirrors

And that was from a bunch of economists!
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,844
fernandopartridge said:
Who gives a fuck really? The tenure of that office has coincided with a prolonged fall in living standards, anaemic wage growth, significantly impaired public services and public realm. It should be abolished or its remit changed so that it measures against outcomes rather than a fabricated 'budget'.
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I agree with you, but the government has said that they will be looking for OBR “approval” of spending plans (budgets).
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,845
CCFCSteve said:
Yeah, agree. They didn’t need to make those tax commitments.

I expect we will all be taxed more in any event though
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If they hadn’t, they might not have got 20% of the electorate to vote for them.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,846
CCFCSteve said:
I said at the time that people should be concerned about the power of the markets/OBR etc (even though I thought truss was crazy). People ignored it at the time because it didn’t fit with their ideology .

I do think people jumping up and down three weeks into a new government before a budgets even been announced is a bit OTT though. If reeves and starmer get this right and ride the new government/stability wave, they’re likely to see a natural continued increase in growth* which will give them more to play with. Not sure many in the party and it’s supporters have the patience though

*inflation is also currently under control which should mean rate cuts and cheaper borrowing as well, which should free up more cash
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Higher than inflation pay rises for state sector employees, however justified, may well be inflationary as the private sector demands the same.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,847
MalcSB said:
Higher than inflation pay rises for state sector employees, however justified, may well be inflationary as the private sector demands the same.
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Hasn't been deflationary all the years I've had a below inflation pay rise
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,848
Deleted member 5849 said:
Hasn't been deflationary all the years I've had a below inflation pay rise
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If you are a state employee, as I was, you will know that when times are good, state pay is held back as an example to the private sector and when times are bad, state pay is held back as an example to the private sector. Pretty much heads they win, tails you lose. In reality, that public pay restraint has built up a lot of issues (e.g. doctors and nurses industrial action) without curtailing inflation - thus compounding the impact of public sector pay restraint.

Unfortunately, I can’t see trades unions in the private sector taking the view that addressing those years of pay restraint should be viewed as a special case. Inevitably there will be demands for private sector pay rises at similar or greater levels - that will, in all probability, lead to greater inflation.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 23, 2024
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I know there's a lot about politicians being self serving and money grabbing, but isn't it pretty terrible that a former Prime Minister couldn't afford his care when sick.

National Archives: Former Prime Minister Harold Wilson sold papers to help fund his care

The two-time prime minister agreed to sell his entire archive to fund his care towards the end of his life.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

MalcSB

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,850
Deleted member 5849 said:
I know there's a lot about politicians being self serving and money grabbing, but isn't it pretty terrible that a former Prime Minister couldn't afford his care when sick
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It’s pretty terrible that anyone can’t afford their care in old age without selling assets. Unless they don’t have any at which point the state steps in.

He wasn’t in a different position to anyone else.
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,851
shmmeee said:
Not the same thing. When people talk about hydrogen they mean fuel cells running electric motors.
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Dark oxygen made by deep sea 'batteries' - BBC News

The discovery that lumps of metal on the seafloor produce oxygen raises questions over plans to mine the deep ocean.
www.bbc.co.uk
The sea Beds one of these apparently, while we think of mining it for the spoils!!
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,852
Deleted member 5849 said:
Well this is bollocks isn't it.
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It is true, the whole thing is a theory of behaviour and some of it pretty self fulfilling
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,853
‘You can’t give people above inflation pay rises’

Huw Edwards's BBC pay increased by £40,000 last year

Gary Lineker tops BBC salary list for seventh year running, with former news anchor Edwards in fourth.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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CCFCSteve

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,854
Brighton Sky Blue said:
‘You can’t give people above inflation pay rises’

Huw Edwards's BBC pay increased by £40,000 last year

Gary Lineker tops BBC salary list for seventh year running, with former news anchor Edwards in fourth.
www.bbc.co.uk
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And people wonder why the BBC is fucked
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,855
CCFCSteve said:
And people wonder why the BBC is fucked
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Not helping themselves are they?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,856
CCFCSteve said:
And people wonder why the BBC is fucked
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Worth pointing out that it’s Boris’ cronies that are currently in charge.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,857
Brighton Sky Blue said:
‘You can’t give people above inflation pay rises’

Huw Edwards's BBC pay increased by £40,000 last year

Gary Lineker tops BBC salary list for seventh year running, with former news anchor Edwards in fourth.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Ridiculous
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,858
skybluetony176 said:
Worth pointing out that it’s Boris’ cronies that are currently in charge.
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As equally good with cash by the sounds of it
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,859
going well

Starmer suspends seven rebel MPs including McDonnell over two-child benefit cap vote

Show of strength by new Labour prime minister after work and pensions secretary Liz Kendall said the government had to do ‘the sums’ before it could commit to abolishing the limit
www.independent.co.uk
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 23, 2024
  • #41,860
Labour continuing to justify why I did not vote for them
 
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