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ProfessorbyGrace

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #41,581
Vaughn Gething is set to resign after a controversial and ‘rudderless’ tenure as Welsh First Minister.

Lovely to see more issues and self-serving politicians bickering amongst themselves, dramatically.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #41,582
fernandopartridge said:
Labour sticking with the household budget analogy, hopefully they'll stop after the election
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Which election? The next one? Have I missed somethIng?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #41,583
MalcSB said:
Which election? The next one? Have I missed somethIng?
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No, just a laugh about some posts on here recently where I was told an election campaign is not the time to make complex arguments about how the state pays for things.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #41,584
fernandopartridge said:
No, just a laugh about some posts on here recently where I was told an election campaign is not the time to make complex arguments about how the state pays for things.
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Maybe the pr groups say this is how the public at large understand it
 

Ian1779

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #41,585
Sky Blue Pete said:
Maybe the pr groups say this is how the public at large understand it
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Then use your mandate to re-educate the public. It’s certainly big enough to do so.
The country is on its knees.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #41,586
Ian1779 said:
Then use your mandate to re-educate the public. It’s certainly big enough to do so.
The country is on its knees.
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I know I know but you start with where people are
 

Flying Fokker

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #41,587

Photo Reveals Humiliating Turnout For Boris Johnson's Appearance At US Republican Convention

It was a far cry from the enthusiastic chanting which greeted him at the last Tory rally.
uk.yahoo.com
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 16, 2024
  • #41,588
Flying Fokker said:

Photo Reveals Humiliating Turnout For Boris Johnson's Appearance At US Republican Convention

It was a far cry from the enthusiastic chanting which greeted him at the last Tory rally.
uk.yahoo.com
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He should be in a prison cell but that will suffice. What is with these right wingers going cap in hand for Trump’s blessing?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,589
As I said the other day, mental issues

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,590
clint van damme said:
As I said the other day, mental issues

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too much time on her hands
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,591
clint van damme said:
As I said the other day, mental issues

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It must be. For starters she obviously thinks she’s still relevant and has an opinion people want to hear. She couldn’t even retain her safe seat at the GE.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,592
skybluetony176 said:
It must be. For starters she obviously thinks she’s still relevant and has an opinion people want to hear. She couldn’t even retain her safe seat at the GE.
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I genuinely think she is and if so someone close to her needs to get her out of the public eye and get her some help.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,593
clint van damme said:
I genuinely think she is and if so someone close to her needs to get her out of the public eye and get her some help.
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She clearly doesn't listen to her Dad!
 
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fatso

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,594
clint van damme said:
As I said the other day, mental issues

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Wtf, and this coming from the worst PM in history???
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,595
clint van damme said:
As I said the other day, mental issues

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Talking of nutters I just heard Andrew Ramsey joint leader of the greens on the radio, what a shambles. firstly, thinking re-nationalising energy, rail and water would only cost £30bn and then trying to defend his position on delaying/blocking the new grid pylon route through east anglia which is required for new offshore wind farms

I appreciate he’s representing his constituency but he’s leader of the Green Party FFS….and in any event that constituency voted for the Greens so if anyone should suck it up it’s surely them !
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,596
Why is Rishi Sunak coming across as quite pleasant *after* he's lost the election? It's a bit late now!
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,597
Deleted member 5849 said:
Why is Rishi Sunak coming across as quite pleasant *after* he's lost the election? It's a bit late now!
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The break from all the culture war bollocks has been a breath of fresh air.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 17, 2024
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clint van damme said:
The break from all the culture war bollocks has been a breath of fresh air.
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Kind of makes me want him to stay on as leader - this is a bit more the Sunak I'd hoped we'd get as leader, not one who bowed to the reactionary nutters. Lets face it, his politics would always be unlikely to be mine, but at least he's slightly pragmatic with it!
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,599
Deleted member 5849 said:
Why is Rishi Sunak coming across as quite pleasant *after* he's lost the election? It's a bit late now!
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He acted in the way CCHQ told him to and now he’s being left to his own devices.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,600
Deleted member 5849 said:
Kind of makes me want him to stay on as leader - this is a bit more the Sunak I'd hoped we'd get as leader, not one who bowed to the reactionary nutters. Lets face it, his politics would always be unlikely to be mine, but at least he's slightly pragmatic with it!
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He’s a decent bloke and the best they’ve got as leader. Wrong time though
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,601
shmmeee said:
Im sure some oil companies will do that.

Someone has to leave oil in the ground, why not us?
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We’re not really helping to achieve net zero if all we’re doing is exporting out carbon emissions. Usually importing fossil fuels that are a) more carbon intensive and b) there’s a cost to transporting coal from Argentina, for example.

It’s like a lot of EVs, the initial outlay of carbon is usually higher than petrol/diesel cars and the cars need to last 5-10 years to actually break even on CO2 emissions. How many people (especially those that can afford EVs) keep the same car for 5+ years?
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,602
Mucca Mad Boys said:
We’re not really helping to achieve net zero if all we’re doing is exporting out carbon emissions. Usually importing fossil fuels that are a) more carbon intensive and b) there’s a cost to transporting coal from Argentina, for example.

It’s like a lot of EVs, the initial outlay of carbon is usually higher than petrol/diesel cars and the cars need to last 5-10 years to actually break even on CO2 emissions. How many people (especially those that can afford EVs) keep the same car for 5+ years?
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Much as I hate to say this, it doesn’t matter how long the initial purchaser keeps a new EV as long as it continues to be used by someone until the CO2 break even point is reached.

Does importing carbon fuels actually reduce our CO2 footprint? I don’t think so, in fact the CO2 produced by transporting those fuels to the UK will add to it which is why it seems madness to block new sources until the replacements are proven and well in their way.(Someoen will be along shortly to tell me the global oil market doesn’t work like that),

Having everything made in China reduces UK footprint by exporting our carbon emissions. Having unprecedented population growth will have increased our CO2 emissions.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,603
MalcSB said:
Much as I hate to say this, it doesn’t matter how long the initial purchaser keeps a new EV as long as it continues to be used by someone until the CO2 break even point is reached.

Does importing carbon fuels actually reduce our CO2 footprint? I don’t think so, in fact the CO2 produced by transporting those fuels to the UK will add to it which is why it seems madness to block new sources until the replacements are proven and well in their way.(Someoen will be along shortly to tell me the global oil market doesn’t work like that),

Having everything made in China reduces UK footprint by exporting our carbon emissions. Having unprecedented population growth will have increased our CO2 emissions.
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That’s assuming the EV’s batteries last up to that. A friend of mine who’s a keen environmentalist pointed out that a newly released JLR EV needed something like 210k miles on one battery to ‘break even’ and the batteries will not last that long, especially as the range on EVs wanes pretty rapidly from what I’ve been told.

That is one example, but paints a picture that car manufacturers are greenwashing their products.

In a practical sense, if there was an event where the power grid is impacted, EVs quickly become useless.

EVs are potentially part of the solution to decarbonising car transportation, my instinct is that we need some sort of breakthrough with biofuels to be able to move away from fossil fuels.
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 17, 2024
  • #41,604
Mucca Mad Boys said:
That’s assuming the EV’s batteries last up to that. A friend of mine who’s a keen environmentalist pointed out that a newly released JLR EV needed something like 210k miles on one battery to ‘break even’ and the batteries will not last that long, especially as the range on EVs wanes pretty rapidly from what I’ve been told.

That is one example, but paints a picture that car manufacturers are greenwashing their products.

In a practical sense, if there was an event where the power grid is impacted, EVs quickly become useless.

EVs are potentially part of the solution to decarbonising car transportation, my instinct is that we need some sort of breakthrough with biofuels to be able to move away from fossil fuels.
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Isn't that the way our owner is going? Then you have the argument that we need the Fields for food!
Hydrogen for me!!
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jul 18, 2024
  • #41,605
Mucca Mad Boys said:
That’s assuming the EV’s batteries last up to that. A friend of mine who’s a keen environmentalist pointed out that a newly released JLR EV needed something like 210k miles on one battery to ‘break even’ and the batteries will not last that long, especially as the range on EVs wanes pretty rapidly from what I’ve been told.

That is one example, but paints a picture that car manufacturers are greenwashing their products.

In a practical sense, if there was an event where the power grid is impacted, EVs quickly become useless.

EVs are potentially part of the solution to decarbonising car transportation, my instinct is that we need some sort of breakthrough with biofuels to be able to move away from fossil fuels.
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I don't like EV cars at all. I look forward to there being no parking when 60s multi storeys are closed because they will not bear the weight, potholes have multiplied for the same reason and Londoners have respiratory problems from inhaling the additional brake dust and rubber particles. Just Stop Lithium will be out in force. The folly will then have been proved.

Biofuels still produce CO2, Mr Google suggests at about half the rate of fossil fuels. Hydrogen produces water.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 18, 2024
  • #41,606
MalcSB said:
I don't like EV cars at all. I look forward to there being no parking when 60s multi storeys are closed because they will not bear the weight, potholes have multiplied for the same reason and Londoners have respiratory problems from inhaling the additional brake dust and rubber particles. Just Stop Lithium will be out in force. The folly will then have been proved.

Biofuels still produce CO2, Mr Google suggests at about half the rate of fossil fuels. Hydrogen produces water.
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The issue is how you make the hydrogen in the first place. At the moment, we actually make it from methane (natural gas), so you aren’t solving the problem there either. If you used solar to split water though, you’d have truly renewable energy and fuel sources.
 

Boicey

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  • Jul 18, 2024
  • #41,607
Mucca Mad Boys said:
We’re not really helping to achieve net zero if all we’re doing is exporting out carbon emissions. Usually importing fossil fuels that are a) more carbon intensive and b) there’s a cost to transporting coal from Argentina, for example.

It’s like a lot of EVs, the initial outlay of carbon is usually higher than petrol/diesel cars and the cars need to last 5-10 years to actually break even on CO2 emissions. How many people (especially those that can afford EVs) keep the same car for 5+ years?
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That's misinformation.
'It takes less than two years for a typical EV to pay off the “carbon debt” from its battery. Over the full vehicle lifecycle, carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from an EV are around three times lower than an average petrol car.
In reality, therefore, an EV in Europe will pay off its carbon debt after around 11,000 miles (18,000km), according to the International Council on Clean Transportation (ICCT)'.
Btw EV batteries are designed to last over 300,000. Many in operation already with more than that with still around 80% battery state of charge, 200 miles usable range.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 18, 2024
  • #41,608
Mucca Mad Boys said:
We’re not really helping to achieve net zero if all we’re doing is exporting out carbon emissions. Usually importing fossil fuels that are a) more carbon intensive and b) there’s a cost to transporting coal from Argentina, for example.

It’s like a lot of EVs, the initial outlay of carbon is usually higher than petrol/diesel cars and the cars need to last 5-10 years to actually break even on CO2 emissions. How many people (especially those that can afford EVs) keep the same car for 5+ years?
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Youd get on with Malc.
 

Boicey

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  • Jul 18, 2024
  • #41,609
MalcSB said:
I don't like EV cars at all. I look forward to there being no parking when 60s multi storeys are closed because they will not bear the weight, potholes have multiplied for the same reason and Londoners have respiratory problems from inhaling the additional brake dust and rubber particles. Just Stop Lithium will be out in force. The folly will then have been proved.

Biofuels still produce CO2, Mr Google suggests at about half the rate of fossil fuels. Hydrogen produces water.
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A lot of nonsense here.
All EV's now have regen braking, and increasingly commonly one pedal driving, which uses much less friction braking. If anything the issue is lack of brake use which can cause disc rusting.
Inhaling tyre rubber that well known danger compared to exhaust emissions. Lolz
Btw most tyre rubber is used by fast acceleration and that doesn't typically happen in high traffic density.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jul 18, 2024
  • #41,610
Boicey said:
A lot of nonsense here.
All EV's now have regen braking, and increasingly commonly one pedal driving, which uses much less friction braking. If anything the issue is lack of brake use which can cause disc rusting.
Inhaling tyre rubber that well known danger compared to exhaust emissions. Lolz
Btw most tyre rubber is used by fast acceleration and that doesn't typically happen in high traffic density.
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Diesel was promoted as safer by the last Labour government. Guess what, it proved not to be because of other pollutants. As soon as one hazard is removed, another will take its place.

You don’t disagree about the car parks or potholes presumably. A hidden cost. Hydrogen would make more sense made from all that water we have surrounding the UK.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 18, 2024
  • #41,611
Boicey said:
A lot of nonsense here.
All EV's now have regen braking, and increasingly commonly one pedal driving, which uses much less friction braking. If anything the issue is lack of brake use which can cause disc rusting.
Inhaling tyre rubber that well known danger compared to exhaust emissions. Lolz
Btw most tyre rubber is used by fast acceleration and that doesn't typically happen in high traffic density.
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They do have regan braking. However all require friction braking at some point when stopping from speed.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 18, 2024
  • #41,612
MalcSB said:
Diesel was promoted as safer by the last Labour government. Guess what, it proved not to be because of other pollutants. As soon as one hazard is removed, another will take its place.

You don’t disagree about the car parks or potholes presumably. A hidden cost. Hydrogen would make more sense made from all that water we have surrounding the UK.
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Yeah carrying around tons of highly explosive material to charge a battery makes way more sense than just charging it on the grid.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 18, 2024
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How is this not already a thing after the last govt? Anyone got a telegraph sub and can tell?

 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 18, 2024
  • #41,614
shmmeee said:
How is this not already a thing after the last govt? Anyone got a telegraph sub and can tell?

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You do wonder WTF a lot of them, especially Home Secretaries have been doing. Like Bravermann banging on about migration when she oversaw in net 700k+

Saying that the home office has always been a shitshow (I remember John Reid calling them out 25 years or so ago)
 

Boicey

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  • Jul 18, 2024
  • #41,615
MalcSB said:
Diesel was promoted as safer by the last Labour government. Guess what, it proved not to be because of other pollutants. As soon as one hazard is removed, another will take its place.

You don’t disagree about the car parks or potholes presumably. A hidden cost. Hydrogen would make more sense made from all that water we have surrounding the UK.
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The inevitable 'another hazard will take its place'. Laughable halfwittery.
The car park and pothole is pure Daily Mail nonsense. It could apply to any large vehicles (and there are plenty of SUV's) turning up en masse in the same place and time. That doesn't happen.
Anyway EV's are getting smaller and batteries lighter. The Citroen e C3 is lighter than a Golf.
Personally I'd take a pothole repair than polluting my kids and leaving them with a climate problem.
 
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