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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (15 Viewers)

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PVA

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  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,511
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Get back to rubbing Starmer’s lamp before it gets cold
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Just waiting for shmmeee to finish with it.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,512
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Get back to rubbing Starmer’s lamp before it gets cold
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I think he has been rubbing shmmees lamp for far longer
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,513
Grendel said:
I think he has been rubbing shmmees lamp for far longer
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We don't want to hear about your fantasies.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,514
MalcSB said:
But but but. Labour was a gain from the Conservatives and , as @shmmeee would say, it was in Labour’s manifesto so additional housing should hardly be a surprise,

”Labour will get Britain building again, creating jobs across England, with 1.5 million new homes over the next parliament.”
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Local politicians gonna local politician.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,515
To be honest those big sprawling car oriented developments are atrocious anyway.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,516
fernandopartridge said:
To be honest those big sprawling car oriented developments are atrocious anyway.
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They are ghastly
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,517
PVA said:
Didn't realise the next parliament had finished already!
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Whilst Rome wasn’t built in a day, it had to start somewhere.
Reeves was pleased to announce 14,000 new homes. Well, a task force to try to conclude a process for 14,000 new homes. Meanwhile, 1,400+ new homes are turned down by a Labour council in a new Labour constituency.

It seems unreasonable to crow about the former and dismiss the latter.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,518
Grendel said:
They are ghastly
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They are ghastly indeed, but it’s what will end up being built. Edge of town, grey or green belt, will necessitate car use.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,519
MalcSB said:
Whilst Rome wasn’t built in a day, it had to start somewhere.
Reeves was pleased to announce 14,000 new homes. Well, a task force to try to conclude a process for 14,000 new homes. Meanwhile, 1,400+ new homes are turned down by a Labour council in a new Labour constituency.

It seems unreasonable to crow about the former and dismiss the latter.
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The 14k homes were ones supposedly stuck in planning. There’s going to need to be actual planning law changes, which I expect will wait for the Kings Speech.
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,520
MalcSB said:
Whilst Rome wasn’t built in a day, it had to start somewhere.
Reeves was pleased to announce 14,000 new homes. Well, a task force to try to conclude a process for 14,000 new homes. Meanwhile, 1,400+ new homes are turned down by a Labour council in a new Labour constituency.

It seems unreasonable to crow about the former and dismiss the latter.
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So we're at +12,600 homes net in the first week, great start I'm sure you'll agree
 

MalcSB

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  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,521
shmmeee said:
The 14k homes were ones supposedly stuck in planning. There’s going to need to be actual planning law changes, which I expect will wait for the Kings Speech.
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One rule for oil, another rule for homes.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,522
MalcSB said:
One rule for oil, another rule for homes.
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Yes that’s how laws work.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,523
PVA said:
So we're at +12,600 homes net in the first week, great start I'm sure you'll agree
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Well, not actually as the 14,000 haven’t been approved. In fact, the task force isn’t operational yet.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,524
shmmeee said:
Yes that’s how laws work.
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Have the new rules for oil been introduced yet, or more likely it’s just on a oddballs whim.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,525
MalcSB said:
Have the new rules for oil been introduced yet, or more likely it’s just on a oddballs whim.
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I haven’t looked into it, but I assume the government has more direct control over North Sea oil licences than a semi in Nuneaton.
 
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  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,526
shmmeee said:
I haven’t looked into it, but I assume the government has more direct control over North Sea oil licences than a semi in Nuneaton.
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Which particular semi in Nuneaton do you think might have some direct control over North Sea oil licenses?
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,527
shmmeee said:
*hastily deletes 14GB of fanfic from Notes*
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Working title of ‘The Toolmakers Son’ surely?
 
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wingy

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  • Jul 13, 2024
  • #41,528
Housing a solution get with it you disruptors!
Only an example if your feeling nationalistic!

 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2024
  • #41,529
Just chatting about Angela Raynors leadership interview with Campbell and Stewart
Mum and dad didn’t work, she didn’t go to university, first job as a carer then Union rep
What does she envy?
Hugs as they weren’t a part of her childhood home

No wonder the political class are after her for what she’s achieved

Love her
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2024
  • #41,530
Sky Blue Pete said:
Just chatting about Angela Raynors leadership interview with Campbell and Stewart
Mum and dad didn’t work, she didn’t go to university, first job as a carer then Union rep
What does she envy?
Hugs as they weren’t a part of her childhood home

No wonder the political class are after her for what she’s achieved

Love her
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I assume you include Starmer in the political class?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 13, 2024
  • #41,531
Grendel said:
I assume you include Starmer in the political class?
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Wasn’t really comparing anyone else just staggered by what she’s achieved
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2024
  • #41,532
Sky Blue Pete said:
Just chatting about Angela Raynors leadership interview with Campbell and Stewart
Mum and dad didn’t work, she didn’t go to university, first job as a carer then Union rep
What does she envy?
Hugs as they weren’t a part of her childhood home

No wonder the political class are after her for what she’s achieved

Love her
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Let’s hope she remembers her roots as it was the Union movement that gave her the platform to get where she is today.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 13, 2024
  • #41,533
For the record I don’t mind Rayner. At least she has authenticity and relatability and believes in what she wants.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 13, 2024
  • #41,534
Ian1779 said:
Let’s hope she remembers her roots as it was the Union movement that gave her the platform to get where she is today.
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Bit of both for me. They need to respect and work with her and she needs to recognise that part of her achieving what she has is down to the movement
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 13, 2024
  • #41,535
Sky Blue Pete said:
Just chatting about Angela Raynors leadership interview with Campbell and Stewart
Mum and dad didn’t work, she didn’t go to university, first job as a carer then Union rep
What does she envy?
Hugs as they weren’t a part of her childhood home

No wonder the political class are after her for what she’s achieved

Love her
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I can take or leave her but the way she boils the piss of certain right wing men amazes me. Definitely something sexual going on there.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jul 13, 2024
  • #41,536
Sky Blue Pete said:
Wasn’t really comparing anyone else just staggered by what she’s achieved
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She will at least be in the room trying to make counter arguments to the Tory lite Streetings and Reeves of the cabinet. Employment rights cost nothing and benefit many so hopefully she gets her way on all of them.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #41,537
Who was it who told me I was talking rubbish about solar farms taking up fields and asked if I had ever heard of roofs? This is 7,000 acres that will be gone.

Government approves three new solar farms that could power 400,000 homes

The new Labour government has pledged to approve many new infrastructure projects - including on green energy. However, MPs impacted by the changes have already raised concerns.
news.sky.com
 

duffer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #41,538
MalcSB said:
Who was it who told me I was talking rubbish about solar farms taking up fields and asked if I had ever heard of roofs? This is 7,000 acres that will be gone.

Government approves three new solar farms that could power 400,000 homes

The new Labour government has pledged to approve many new infrastructure projects - including on green energy. However, MPs impacted by the changes have already raised concerns.
news.sky.com
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In the spirit of (hopefully) polite debate, I did a bit of digging on this.

The suggestion that even these large solar developments are a threat to UK food security, doesn't seem to be backed by evidence. A quote from an article linked to below...

"Solar panels cover an estimated 0.1% of the country, compared to 2% covered by golf courses. As the think tank Green Alliance points out, crops for biofuel production occupy 77 times more land than that used for solar panels."

So personally, I'm leaning towards supporting government policy on this. The food security argument doesn't seem to stand up, if that's the main objection to it, imho.

It's possible to have solar farms and promote food security

It's possible to construct more solar farms while at the same time promoting and safeguarding food security, writes Hermione Dace, of the Tony Blair Institute.
www.farminguk.com
 
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PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #41,539
Farms are getting smaller in the UK.

If they are selling off land to build homes why not also use some of that land to power those homes?
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #41,540
duffer said:
In the spirit of (hopefully) polite debate, I did a bit of digging on this.

The suggestion that even these large solar developments are a threat to UK food security, doesn't seem to be backed by evidence. A quote from an article linked to below...

"Solar panels cover an estimated 0.1% of the country, compared to 2% covered by golf courses. As the think tank Green Alliance points out, crops for biofuel production occupy 77 times more land than that used for solar panels."

So personally, I'm leaning towards supporting government policy on this. The food security argument doesn't seem to stand up, if that's the main objection to it, imho.

It's possible to have solar farms and promote food security

It's possible to construct more solar farms while at the same time promoting and safeguarding food security, writes Hermione Dace, of the Tony Blair Institute.
www.farminguk.com
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I guess it depends just how much land needs to be covered with Chinese solar panels. Still, if it’s got panels on it, it won’t also have houses. These projects will just cover the number of additional houses to be built per year, so no real inroad into reducing current use of carbon sources.

And the Point I was really making was that people told me I was talking bollocks when I said fields would be used for solar panels and suggested roofs would do the trick.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #41,541
duffer said:
In the spirit of (hopefully) polite debate, I did a bit of digging on this.

The suggestion that even these large solar developments are a threat to UK food security, doesn't seem to be backed by evidence. A quote from an article linked to below...

"Solar panels cover an estimated 0.1% of the country, compared to 2% covered by golf courses. As the think tank Green Alliance points out, crops for biofuel production occupy 77 times more land than that used for solar panels."

So personally, I'm leaning towards supporting government policy on this. The food security argument doesn't seem to stand up, if that's the main objection to it, imho.

It's possible to have solar farms and promote food security

It's possible to construct more solar farms while at the same time promoting and safeguarding food security, writes Hermione Dace, of the Tony Blair Institute.
www.farminguk.com
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Of course, the Tony Blair institute is an entirely unbiased organisation.
 
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SBAndy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #41,542
Vertical farming will be the future anyway.
 
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fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #41,543
They take the public for absolute mugs, this is just narrative building aided by the media to justify why nothing can get better.


Miraculously under the bonnet £3bn is found for Ukraine
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #41,544
fernandopartridge said:
They take the public for absolute mugs, this is just narrative building aided by the media to justify why nothing can get better.


Miraculously under the bonnet £3bn is found for Ukraine
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Yet another vacuous interview.
 

Terry_dactyl

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 14, 2024
  • #41,545
shmmeee said:
Massively here for The Conservatives: The Corbyn Years

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National Conservatives?!?!
 
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