Non AMP
Sky Blues Talk
  • Home
  • Forums
  • General Discussion
  • Off Topic Chat
This is a mobile optimized page that loads fast, if you want to load the real page, click this text.

Do you want to discuss boring politics? (33 Viewers)

  • Thread starter mrtrench
  • Start date Jun 14, 2020
Forums New posts
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 1184
  • 1185
  • 1186
  • 1187
  • 1188
  • …
  • 1446
Next
First Prev 1186 of 1446 Next Last
W

wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,476
Can someone explain to me why we shouldn't?
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,477
PVA said:
That's great, but doesn't mean we are going to buy more oil from Russia like you said.
Click to expand...
I work in gas, and this year we have primarily used gas out of gas stores that we had acquired since COVID. There are big hopes for hydrogen also meaning we will have to buy less oil going forward.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,478
Ccfcisparks said:
I work in gas, and this year we have primarily used gas out of gas stores that we had acquired since COVID. There are big hopes for hydrogen also meaning we will have to buy less oil going forward.
Click to expand...
That’s fantastic.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,479
wingy said:
Can someone explain to me why we shouldn't?
Click to expand...
Shouldn’t what? Fund Russias war in Ukraine by buying Russian oil?
 
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,480
MalcSB said:
Shouldn’t what? Fund Russias war in Ukraine by buying Russian oil?
Click to expand...

Again, this has nothing to do with how much oil we do or don't buy from Russia.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,481
The only argument I can see is you’re harming the economy and the only benefit is the climate. Well, yeah. The climate was a tent pole part of Labours pitch and they got elected on a landslide.

But the idea that not letting private companies drill oil in the UK to sell on the global market will harm the UK outside of tax revenues I just don’t see.
 
W

wingy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,482
MalcSB said:
Shouldn’t what? Fund Russias war in Ukraine by buying Russian oil?
Click to expand...
It's the wrong thread isn't it, I'll take it over there I think?
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,483
shmmeee said:
The only argument I can see is you’re harming the economy and the only benefit is the climate. Well, yeah. The climate was a tent pole part of Labours pitch and they got elected on a landslide.

But the idea that not letting private companies drill oil in the UK to sell on the global market will harm the UK outside of tax revenues I just don’t see.
Click to expand...
Bloody union leaders

Sharon Graham, Unite General Secretary, said: “It is quite frankly irresponsible for Labour to keep ploughing ahead with the guillotine ban of new oil and gas licences when there is no clear plan for jobs.

“We simply cannot let go of one rope before we have hold of another. Until we have clear plans and more importantly investment, we should not be turning off the taps.

“In a less stable world we cannot rely on imports nor offshore our carbon responsibilities.”
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,484
PVA said:
Again, this has nothing to do with how much oil we do or don't buy from Russia.
Click to expand...
So Russian oil sales don’t support the Russian economy and subsequently their investment in their armed forces?
They must have a magic money tree then.
 
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,485
MalcSB said:
So Russian oil sales don’t support the Russian economy and subsequently their investment in their armed forces?
They must have a magic money tree then.
Click to expand...

Haven't said otherwise, you seem to be making a different argument now.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,486
MalcSB said:
Bloody union leaders

Sharon Graham, Unite General Secretary, said: “It is quite frankly irresponsible for Labour to keep ploughing ahead with the guillotine ban of new oil and gas licences when there is no clear plan for jobs.

“We simply cannot let go of one rope before we have hold of another. Until we have clear plans and more importantly investment, we should not be turning off the taps.

“In a less stable world we cannot rely on imports nor offshore our carbon responsibilities.”
Click to expand...

Again, yes, reducing fossil fuels will mean fewer people employed in fossil fuels. This is not news.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,487
shmmeee said:
Again, yes, reducing fossil fuels will mean fewer people employed in fossil fuels. This is not news.
Click to expand...

We will still be buying fossil fuels. Ironically you seem now to be deploying Thatcherite arguments regarding coal mines
 
Reactions: Mucca Mad Boys

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,488
shmmeee said:
Again, yes, reducing fossil fuels will mean fewer people employed in fossil fuels. This is not news.
Click to expand...
Does not awarding licences reduce the use of fossil fuels of itself?
Personally I don’t think so.
There should have been some framework published to apply to future applications, not a blanket cessation of previous and nearly completed ones.
TBH you could hardly blame some companies / industries if they basically said fuck the UK, we will invest elsewhere.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,489
MalcSB said:
Does not awarding licences reduce the use of fossil fuels of itself?
Personally I don’t think so.

TBH you could hardly blame some companies / industries if they basically said fuck the UK, we will invest elsewhere.
Click to expand...

Im sure some oil companies will do that.

Someone has to leave oil in the ground, why not us?
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,490
shmmeee said:
Im sure some oil companies will do that.

Someone has to leave oil in the ground, why not us?
Click to expand...
It will be good to be an example to the world. They will all follow our lead. Or make a fortune selling energy to the UK.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,491
MalcSB said:
It will be good to be an example to the world. They will all follow our lead. Or make a fortune selling energy to the UK.
Click to expand...

We buy on the international market. We got no discount for UK produced oil. I get you’re a climate skeptic, I think you’re just going to have to accept the government isn’t any more
 
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,492
MalcSB said:
It will be good to be an example to the world. They will all follow our lead. Or make a fortune selling energy to the UK.
Click to expand...

You really need to read up on how oil is purchased and sold
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,493
PVA said:
You really need to read up on how oil is purchased and sold
Click to expand...
I know it’s a global market, I know it’s companies that sell it. I know that the UK does not get a discount from UK produced oil. IIRC UK oil is of a type that needs mixing with another type to produce a refined product for use.

I know that governments / states get a revenue stream from the sale of oil from its territory - whether that is in the form of licence fees, royalties or taxes or a combination of any and all of those.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,494
MalcSB said:
I know it’s a global market, I know it’s companies that sell it. I know that the UK does not get a discount from UK produced oil. IIRC UK oil is of a type that needs mixing with another type to produce a refined product for use.

I know that governments / states get a revenue stream from the sale of oil from its territory - whether that is in the form of licence fees, royalties or taxes or a combination of any and all of those.
Click to expand...

That’s the trade off: cash for climate. It’ll make the overall mission of growth harder, but, like from what I see of polling most Labour voters, that’s a trade off I’m more than willing to make.
 
Reactions: MalcSB and Grendel

Nuskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,495
shmmeee said:
Click to expand...
 
Reactions: fernandopartridge and PVA

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,496
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Labour and the Lib Dems in 2010 had much more in common ideologically than the latter did with the Tories.
Click to expand...
Yeah, but i think there would have been uproar if the party with the highest number of seats was not involved in govt. We'd have probably ended up having another election 6 months later.
 
Reactions: MalcSB and Brighton Sky Blue

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,497
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's not just now.

2011 United Kingdom Alternative Vote referendum - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org
Click to expand...
I want voting change but I didn't like that method. It just seemed messy and wouldn't please anyone or be truly representative.

Ironic that they only offered one choice, which was to give people multiple choices. Why not put a load of voting options on the form and get people to rank them in order of desirability?
 
Reactions: MalcSB

SBAndy

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,498
See Ben Habib has been replaced as Deputy Leader of Reform? Richard Tice his replacement.
 
D

Deleted member 5849

Guest
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,499
SBAndy said:
See Ben Habib has been replaced as Deputy Leader of Reform? Richard Tice his replacement.
Click to expand...
Interesting tweet from him...


tbf could be sour grapes, not like how the party's controlled should be a shock...
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,500
fernandopartridge said:
One Lib Dem proudly boasted about getting the Tories to agree to their plastic bag charging policy by voting with them on austerity and cuts to welfare
Click to expand...
I do get a bit annoyed at the amount of blame the Lib Dems get for the coalition when they were the 'junior' partners. They were clearly not going to get huge amounts of their policies through.

However what they got massively wrong (and where I think the Tories played them) was what they were willing to give up and what they managed to get through. Most of the stuff they were allowed was just watered down Tory stuff like austerity so no-one noticed/knew if they'd actually made a difference. Then stuff like get charges for plastic bags in exchange for large welfare cuts - doesn't exactly seem a fair trade off does it? And lastly when your core vote is students and one of your biggest, if not the biggest, policy you get traction on is tuition fees, you make that an absolute must have in your negotiations or you walk away. It seemed pretty obvious to me that if you don't keep that then you're alienating mos of your voters and you're going to get a kicking next time. Which they did.
 
Reactions: djr8369 and MalcSB

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 11, 2024
  • #41,501
shmmeee said:
That’s the trade off: cash for climate. It’ll make the overall mission of growth harder, but, like from what I see of polling most Labour voters, that’s a trade off I’m more than willing to make.
Click to expand...
Polling of a sample of 20% of the electorate. If the cash trade off comes out of their pocket, there will be a backlash Which could actually be ultimately damaging to the net zero cause. Europe is way off the required trajectory already.

Mind you, I’m looking forward to the huge savings on my energy bill.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,502

Would be huge if this happened.

Starmers magic lamp getting no time off. England tournament win and peace in the Middle East on the horizon
 
Reactions: Sky Blue Pete
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,503
shmmeee said:

Would be huge if this happened.

Starmers magic lamp getting no time off. England tournament win and peace in the Middle East on the horizon
Click to expand...
Think we already know quite enough about you rubbing Starmer’s magic lamp
 
Reactions: Grendel and Deleted member 5849

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,504
Labour councillors not quite on message here

Joy as giant 700 Nuneaton homes plan appeal refused

Gladmans wanted to build the development on land off Weddington Road
www.coventrytelegraph.net
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,505
shmmeee said:

Would be huge if this happened.

Starmers magic lamp getting no time off. England tournament win and peace in the Middle East on the horizon
Click to expand...
Is that an oil lamp?
 
Reactions: Grendel

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,506
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Think we already know quite enough about you rubbing Starmer’s magic lamp
Click to expand...

*hastily deletes 14GB of fanfic from Notes*
 
Reactions: Brighton Sky Blue

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,507
MalcSB said:
Labour councillors not quite on message here

Joy as giant 700 Nuneaton homes plan appeal refused

Gladmans wanted to build the development on land off Weddington Road
www.coventrytelegraph.net
Click to expand...
This was bought up on Question Time last night and wasn't really answered. The point was made that its all well and good the government saying crack on and get building but you need to stop local MPs and councillors campaigning against developments because they're worried about votes locally.

tbf the Labour MP that was on said that he'd essentially done a hand holding exercise in his constituency and got people on board with the idea but that seems like it will use up a lot of time that's probably better spent elsewhere.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,508
chiefdave said:
This was bought up on Question Time last night and wasn't really answered. The point was made that its all well and good the government saying crack on and get building but you need to stop local MPs and councillors campaigning against developments because they're worried about votes locally.

tbf the Labour MP that was on said that he'd essentially done a hand holding exercise in his constituency and got people on board with the idea but that seems like it will use up a lot of time that's probably better spent elsewhere.
Click to expand...
But but but. Labour was a gain from the Conservatives and , as @shmmeee would say, it was in Labour’s manifesto so additional housing should hardly be a surprise,

”Labour will get Britain building again, creating jobs across England, with 1.5 million new homes over the next parliament.”
 
Reactions: Sky Blue Pete
P

PVA

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,509
Didn't realise the next parliament had finished already!
 
B

Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 12, 2024
  • #41,510
PVA said:
Didn't realise the next parliament had finished already!
Click to expand...
Get back to rubbing Starmer’s lamp before it gets cold
 
Reactions: Sick Boy, Sky Blue Pete, RegTheDonk and 2 others
Prev
  • 1
  • …
  • 1184
  • 1185
  • 1186
  • 1187
  • 1188
  • …
  • 1446
Next
First Prev 1186 of 1446 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

  • Captain Dart11 minutes ago
  • The Philosopher13 minutes ago
  • ... and 3 more.
  • Total: 27 (members: 5, guests: 22)
    Share:
    Facebook Twitter Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email
    • Home
    • Forums
    • General Discussion
    • Off Topic Chat
    • Default Style
    • Contact us
    • Terms and rules
    • Privacy policy
    • Help
    • Home
    Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2021 XenForo Ltd.
    Menu
    Log in

    Register

    • Home
    • Forums
      • New posts
      • Search forums
    • What's new
      • New posts
      • Latest activity
    • Members
      • Current visitors
    • Donate to the Season Ticket Fund
    X

    Privacy & Transparency

    We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

    • Personalized ads and content
    • Content measurement and audience insights

    Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

    X

    Privacy & Transparency

    We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

    • Personalized ads and content
    • Content measurement and audience insights

    Do you accept cookies and these technologies?