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shmmeee

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,231
MalcSB said:
BBC haven’t given the detail then, but even then it wasn’t an answer to the question. I should really bear in mind that Labour politicians are still politicians.
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I think the plans as given are a bit of a damp squib and won’t be enough to meet their targets but the devil will be in the detail.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,232
MalcSB said:
Well thats the South West all powered up then. Blackouts to come in the North West?
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There are loads of wind turbines across the south Pennines, particularly at the borders of Lancashire, Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,233
The change in the onshore wind farm planning rules is good.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,234
shmmeee said:
Where she gave an example of applications the govt has already approved? Thats the only mention of 14000 in the whole thing I can see.

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I mean the government doesn't give the go ahead for these developments do they? the local planning authority does it independent of the government.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,235
fernandopartridge said:
I mean the government doesn't give the go ahead for these developments do they? the local planning authority does it independent of the government.
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I assume they’ve gone up the chain on appeal. I’ll have a look.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,236
fernandopartridge said:
There are loads of wind turbines across the south Pennines, particularly at the borders of Lancashire, Greater Manchester and West Yorkshire.
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I’m sure there are, I’m not sure you got the context of my reply to shmmeee.

I think we were both trying to be humorous.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,237
shmmeee said:
I assume they’ve gone up the chain on appeal. I’ll have a look.
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Clear as mud

Chancellor makes major Liverpool announcement in first speech

Rachel Reeves delivered her first speech as Chancellor on Monday
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk
 
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Evo1883

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,238
37 %

Over 10 million votes le pen got
 
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PVA

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,239
Seems to me it's a case of pushing through 14k new homes that the previous government failed to do.

So day one on the job and they're already being proactive. That can only be a good thing surely.



Ms Reeves said: "We will create a new taskforce to accelerate stalled housing sites in our country. Beginning with Liverpool central docks, Worcester Parkway, Northstowe and Langley Sutton Coldfield - representing more than 14,000 homes."
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,240
shmmeee said:
Clear as mud

Chancellor makes major Liverpool announcement in first speech

Rachel Reeves delivered her first speech as Chancellor on Monday
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk
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So actually 14,000 new homes haven’t been approved. A task force has been set up.

TBH she would probably have been better to have said nothing.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,241
MalcSB said:
The

The plan/ promise is to build 1,500,000 new homes over the next 5 years (parliament), not be be building at a rate of 300,000 per year (or 1.5 million per 5 years) by the end of that period.
What the Tories did is irrelevant. This is Labours target going forward and, presumably, does not rely on public funding to achieve.
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It’s not irrelevant, it shows the scale of the task. We’re building about 210K homes a year at the moment the Tories grew the annual house building figure by 900 last year. I do feel Labour are setting themselves up for a fall though as they’ve put all the emphasis on planning rules, it’s bigger than that. We have a skills shortage and a lot of building materials are still in short supply which in part explains the Tories failure. Although I suspect they were more interested in getting Starmer to explain what a woman is than increasing house building themselves. Although to be fair they did loosen restrictions on the immigration of the skills needed to build houses.

One thing Labour could do is make it easier for 16 year olds to work on building sites. My 16 year old nephew is currently doing a bricklaying course at college but struggles to get work experience as I think you have to be 18 to have a CSCS card to get on a building site and even then due to the cost of insurance a lot of contractors will only employ people over 21. He’s desperate to work when he’s not in college and has given up try to find reliable work with builders, he’s working at Sainsbury’s now when he isn’t at college.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,242
PVA said:
Seems to me it's a case of pushing through 14k new homes that the previous government failed to do.

So day one on the job and they're already being proactive. That can only be a good thing surely.



Ms Reeves said: "We will create a new taskforce to accelerate stalled housing sites in our country. Beginning with Liverpool central docks, Worcester Parkway, Northstowe and Langley Sutton Coldfield - representing more than 14,000 homes."
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i will watch this with interest, but will not be holding my breath
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,243
shmmeee said:
Clear as mud

Chancellor makes major Liverpool announcement in first speech

Rachel Reeves delivered her first speech as Chancellor on Monday
www.liverpoolecho.co.uk
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It was approved by the council so I'm assuming there are other things holding it up. I think it's probably Peel Holdings who applied for permission and they are politically savvy enough to realise that a Labour government is likely to be far more willing to contribute to the pre-construction works necessary in ex brownfield sites than the Tories are / were.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,244
fernandopartridge said:
I mean the government doesn't give the go ahead for these developments do they? the local planning authority does it independent of the government.
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Can’t central government step in and overrule if they’re unhappy how local government is handling it?
 

MalcSB

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,245
skybluetony176 said:
It’s not irrelevant, it shows the scale of the task. We’re building about 210K homes a year at the moment the Tories grew the annual house building figure by 900 last year. I do feel Labour are setting themselves up for a fall though as they’ve put all the emphasis on planning rules, it’s bigger than that. We have a skills shortage and a lot of building materials are still in short supply which in part explains the Tories failure. Although I suspect they were more interested in getting Starmer to explain what a woman is than increasing house building themselves. Although to be fair they did loosen restrictions on the immigration of the skills needed to build houses.

One thing Labour could do is make it easier for 16 year olds to work on building sites. My 16 year old nephew is currently doing a bricklaying course at college but struggles to get work experience as I think you have to be 18 to have a CSCS card to get on a building site and even then due to the cost of insurance a lot of contractors will only employ people over 21. He’s desperate to work when he’s not in college and has given up try to find reliable work with builders, he’s working at Sainsbury’s now when he isn’t at college.
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I sympathise with your nephew, must be very frustrating knowing what you want to do and not being allowed to do it.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,246
It’s the south east and Cambridge I really want to see bold action on. All due respect to Liverpool but house prices aren’t as much of an issue there as the south. The north needs better infrastructure as much as more houses imo.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,247
skybluetony176 said:
Can’t central government step in if they’re unhappy how local government is handling it?
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The applicant has to be appeal to the relevant department, the government can't just step in as far as I'm aware.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,248
shmmeee said:
It’s the south east and Cambridge I really want to see bold action on. All due respect to Liverpool but house prices aren’t as much of an issue there as the south. The north needs better infrastructure as much as more houses imo.
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Plenty of Tory and Lib Dem constituencies to concrete over there.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,249
MalcSB said:
I sympathise with your nephew, must be very frustrating knowing what you want to do and not being allowed to do it.
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It is. I think and hope he’ll persevere as it’s a good trade to have and to be blunt he’s not academically minded but does have a practical mind that means he’s took to to it like a duck to water and if he does persevere he’ll earn a good living out of it. He’s a brute of a lad too, he’s looked like he’s in his 20’s from about the age of 14 so has the physical ability to be labouring for a gang of bricky’s now and learn his chosen trade while working in that environment as well as a couple of days at college.

I do wonder how many 16-18 year olds are dropping out of college because they’re only there a couple of days a week and then go and work somewhere like Sainsbury’s earning good money for people of their age.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,250
skybluetony176 said:
One thing Labour could do is make it easier for 16 year olds to work on building sites. My 16 year old nephew is currently doing a bricklaying course at college but struggles to get work experience as I think you have to be 18 to have a CSCS card to get on a building site and even then due to the cost of insurance a lot of contractors will only employ people over 21. He’s desperate to work when he’s not in college and has given up try to find reliable work with builders, he’s working at Sainsbury’s now when he isn’t at college.
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Been saying this since I taught. Met so many kids who just wanted to get on a learn a trade but were limited until they were 18 so we’re stuck doing Media Studies A-level or some nonsense. I’d like to see a proper route from 14 TBH. There must be some middle ground on safety legislation to let younger people get their foot in the door (probably not the best metaphor for reducing safety legislation)
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,251
shmmeee said:
Been saying this since I taught. Met so many kids who just wanted to get on a learn a trade but were limited until they were 18 so we’re stuck doing Media Studies A-level or some nonsense. I’d like to see a proper route from 14 TBH. There must be some middle ground on safety legislation to let younger people get their foot in the door (probably not the best metaphor for reducing safety legislation)
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Certainly used to be allowed. When I left school at 16 none of my mates or myself went on to further education and we were all working in garages, on building sites etc at 16 full time on YTS’ except a day or 2 at college depending on what trade you were doing. Not sure why they changed it so dramatically. At least give 16 year olds the option because despite the bad press the youth get some do just want to get on with working.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,252
It really was a wasted 14 years when you look back

 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,253
I wonder


Not just one constituency either
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,254

Reform UK's Invisible Candidates: Who Are They Hiding?

Absent from hustings, media interviews, and social media, why are Nigel Farage's Reform champions quite so elusive?
bylinetimes.com

The Matt guy got 8000 votes
 

RegTheDonk

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,255
Sky Blue Pete said:
I wonder


Not just one constituency either
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I presume they weren't at the count?
 

David O'Day

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,256
Sky Blue Pete said:

Reform UK's Invisible Candidates: Who Are They Hiding?

Absent from hustings, media interviews, and social media, why are Nigel Farage's Reform champions quite so elusive?
bylinetimes.com

The Matt guy got 8000 votes
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He was probably at the count and declaration so file under not true
 
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Macca

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,257
MalcSB said:
The

The plan/ promise is to build 1,500,000 new homes over the next 5 years (parliament), not be be building at a rate of 300,000 per year (or 1.5 million per 5 years) by the end of that period.
What the Tories did is irrelevant. This is Labours target going forward and, presumably, does not rely on public funding to achieve.
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1.5 million?? Fucking hell
 

MalcSB

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,258
Sky Blue Pete said:

Reform UK's Invisible Candidates: Who Are They Hiding?

Absent from hustings, media interviews, and social media, why are Nigel Farage's Reform champions quite so elusive?
bylinetimes.com
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Sky Blue Pete said:
The Matt guy got 8000 votes
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Was he at the count. If not, would have been a tad awkward if he had won.

The “report” is dated 3 July
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,259
David O'Day said:
He was probably at the count and declaration so file under not true
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He wasn’t and there’s a lot of candidates didn’t attend from reform
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,260
RegTheDonk said:
I presume they weren't at the count?
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They weren’t
 

MalcSB

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,261
Sky Blue Pete said:

Reform UK's Invisible Candidates: Who Are They Hiding?

Absent from hustings, media interviews, and social media, why are Nigel Farage's Reform champions quite so elusive?
bylinetimes.com

The Matt guy got 8000 votes
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1,758
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,262
MalcSB said:
Was he at the count. If not, would have been a tad awkward if he had won.

The “report” is dated 3 July
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He wasn’t he posted a tweet from a Gloucestershire hospital saying he has pneumonia

The account has 31500 followers
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,263
MalcSB said:
1,758
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Different one
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,264
Glasgow north
Glasgow south
Clapham
Tatton

Did find out one of the reform candidates in coventry is a specialist at uhcw ffs
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jul 8, 2024
  • #41,265
Come on sbt have a look
Doesn’t look good
 
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