Earlsdon_Skyblue1
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Most of us think they're a bunch of cunts. Still, doesn't answer my question. If they aren't centre right, what are they?
You mean aside from a bunch of cunts?
Whatever they are you’re ridiculous if you think that they were centre right.
That’s what me Timpson is sayingBecause prisons aren't shown to be much of a deterrent and leads to a high percentage of reoffending. In some cases prisons are basically seen as criminal gang recruitment centres.
People who get drawn further and further into that world for what started out as minor offences. Things like drugs, swift changes in circumstances (especially economic like job loss), family/socio-economic problems. People that can be helped but end up in a much worse position because they've been sent to prison.
Meanwhile other countries in Scandinavia concentrate almost wholly on rehabilitation with a tiny prison population and all the indicators are that it's far more successful. In fact they say the biggest problem is people like you moaning why criminals aren't being punished.
For me prison should be there purely for those who pose a physical threat to people, and would happily say for some of them to even be considered for release after extensive rehabilitation they have to wear a tag for the rest of their lives.
So ask yourself are you interesting in solving the amount of crime and the reasons for it, or just punishment?
not really been following this past the headlines as there was so much going on here. is this a case where the far right voters vote far right but as you move through the process nobody else has them as their second ballot?Well, exit polls suggesting the National Rally in France now languishing in 3rd place after the 2nd round of voting.
You see this is what they do. They shift the line so that can claim to not be far right implicating that they must be centre right while claiming moronic things like the current Labour Party is the furthest left Labour Party in modern history when it’s centre left at best and not even the furthest left Labour Party of the last 5 years.Most of us think they're a bunch of cunts. Still, doesn't answer my question. If they aren't centre right, what are they?
I’d presume people holding their noses to keep them out.That exit poll/projection can't be right? The left winning and the fash in 3rd?
Yeah but you'd think they'd vote Macrons centrists and not the left allianceI’d presume people holding their noses to keep them out.
Have still probably increased their seats. Was 8 in 2017, 89 in 2022, predicted 125 to 150 in 2024.Well, exit polls suggesting the National Rally in France now languishing in 3rd place after the 2nd round of voting.
I think the French hate Macron and his party as much as you hate Tories.Yeah but you'd think they'd vote Macrons centrists and not the left alliance
Almost like most French people aren't actually Le Pen supporters and will vote to keep her and her party out.That can't be right, I thought the right were now the most popular party and Le Pen was going to be president
It's almost as though this has happened before.
Exactly this. A load of candidates withdrew so as not to dilute the vote. A lot of people also voted for Macron just to keep Le Pen out. Thank goodness.I’d presume people holding their noses to keep them out.
they still appear to have come 2ndI think the French hate Macron and his party as much as you hate Tories.
The problem is without any deterant there's no reason not to commit crime.Because prisons aren't shown to be much of a deterrent and leads to a high percentage of reoffending. In some cases prisons are basically seen as criminal gang recruitment centres.
People who get drawn further and further into that world for what started out as minor offences. Things like drugs, swift changes in circumstances (especially economic like job loss), family/socio-economic problems. People that can be helped but end up in a much worse position because they've been sent to prison.
Meanwhile other countries in Scandinavia concentrate almost wholly on rehabilitation with a tiny prison population and all the indicators are that it's far more successful. In fact they say the biggest problem is people like you moaning why criminals aren't being punished.
For me prison should be there purely for those who pose a physical threat to people, and would happily say for some of them to even be considered for release after extensive rehabilitation they have to wear a tag for the rest of their lives.
So ask yourself are you interesting in solving the amount of crime and the reasons for it, or just punishment?
What are you on about? The political spectrum is exactly that - a theoretical relative spectrum so obviously shifts.You see this is what they do. They shift the line so that can claim to not be far right implicating that they must be centre right while claiming moronic things like the current Labour Party is the furthest left Labour Party in modern history when it’s centre left at best and not even the furthest left Labour Party of the last 5 years.
We’re back to the territory of just because they (the Tories) think you’re stupid doesn’t mean you have to indulge them.
As did the Tories.they still appear to have come 2nd
What, like most British people aren’t actually Labour supporters? Yet they are now in power,Almost like most French people aren't actually Le Pen supporters and will vote to keep her and her party out.
The worrying thing for France is that around 30% plus of the electorate are voting far right parties and if I was a betting man , I reckon that figure could rise further over the next 4 years .
200 MPs had to step down in certain areas to ensure that this happened through tactical voting.. that's a worry
Although the increased turnout in the 2nd round suggests to me there’s a general apathy but a more fervent rejection of far right politics. Basically more have been energised after the result of the first round of voting.
it's the Popular Front alliance so it ranges from very left to centre leftHow far to the left are the parties in France?
Paris will be fine, the residents of the city proper will be loving thisMy 14 year old goes on a school trip to Paris Tuesday. Hopefully it’s all calmed down a bit by the time she gets there. All seems fairly celebratory on the news at the moment.
I saw it was projected to be 125 to 150 on the BBC. There’s over 550 seats in total I thinkLe pen results
2017
2nd round
8%
2022
17 %
2024
29/30 %
Projected to gain 44 seats in the French parliament
You see this is what they do. They shift the line so that can claim to not be far right implicating that they must be centre right while claiming moronic things like the current Labour Party is the furthest left Labour Party in modern history when it’s centre left at best and not even the furthest left Labour Party of the last 5 years.
We’re back to the territory of just because they (the Tories) think you’re stupid doesn’t mean you have to indulge them.
They’re a damn site nearer to the far right than they are the centre that’s for sure. They’ve spent the last 12 months especially trying to make immigration the biggest issue. Text book far right. But the truth is they’ve been flirting with it since May was Home Secretary.So you think the Conservatives were far right?
Fucking hell.
Jesus Christ, if you think they are far right I think you need to open a history book, or look at US politicsThey’re a damn site nearer to the far right than they are the centre that’s for sure. They’ve spent the last 12 months especially trying to make immigration the biggest issue. Text book far right. But the truth is they’ve been flirting with it since May was Home Secretary.
I think you need to open your eyes.Jesus Christ, if you think they are far right I think you need to open a history book, or look at US politics
That can't be right, I thought the right were now the most popular party and Le Pen was going to be president
It's almost as though this has happened before.
It all comes down to the Overton window and it varies by country and perpetually shifts over time.So you think the Conservatives were far right?
Fucking hell.
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