…no?Was everything you wanted in Labour’s manifesto?
Crikey. A voting system where 14% of the vote gets 5 seats suddenly sounds very sensible indeed.
I don’t see how the current system forces moderation, it allows switches from left to right.It’s been doing it to the Lib Dem’s and Greens for ages, not to mention the SDP. It’s literally the point of the system: keep the fringes on the fringe and force moderation.
Also people are calling for PR, the system that in NL just gave Geert Wilders power on 23% of the vote.
In a four or five party system 34% is the sort of vote that gives you power in any system. Are people really saying the want the Lib Dem’s or Reform as permanent king makers? And that would be more democratic?
The first 218 didn’t make any difference though?
It’s a continuation of the previous government’s policy where 218 were bailed. What would you have done differently?
I'm not interested in what the Tories did. Everyone knows their reign was a failure on migration and a big part of what them got voted out. If we're going to carry on like this, it's going to be a very quick 5 years for Labour. Certainly what they've been doing in the first two days they've got in is not going to be popular with many people in the real world, other than those that claim to pretend to care about humanitarian reasons as a front for really wanting open borders.
You can't sit there for 14 years swiping at the government every day, only for a new one to come in, do the same thing or worse, and then start blaming the old one with 'oh but look at them' within 48 hours. It's very silly.
What would you have done then?I'm not interested in what the Tories did. Everyone knows their reign was a failure on migration and a big part of what them got voted out. If we're going to carry on like this, it's going to be a very quick 5 years for Labour. Certainly what they've been doing in the first two days they've got in is not going to be popular with many people in the real world, other than those that claim to pretend to care about humanitarian reasons as a front for really wanting open borders.
You can't sit there for 14 years swiping at the government every day, only for a new one to come in, do the same thing or worse, and then start blaming the old one with 'oh but look at them' within 48 hours. It's very silly.
Suggesting convicted criminals only serve a quarter of their sentences?Almost as silly as making a snap judgement on their performance in government after 48 hours!
Besides, setting the Rwanda stuff aside, I would expect a lot of their early stuff is being well-received by the general public.
Exactly. It's easier to let convicted criminals out than to come up with a solution to the overcrowded prisons.Suggesting convicted criminals only serve a quarter of their sentences?
Why not just get the judges to say those found guilty have been very naughty boys and / or girls and let them go with a “woe betide you if I see you here again”.
tbf that's where James Timpson (Tory leaning I think) is an interesting appointment though isn't it, as he's actually walked the walk in how to rehabilitate criminals and stop them reoffending.Suggesting convicted criminals only serve a quarter of their sentences?
Why not just get the judges to say those found guilty have been very naughty boys and / or girls and let them go with a “woe betide you if I see you here again”.
The point is that the the evidence does not demonstrate that it's a deterrent from offending or reoffending. There is no benefit in jailing them to the wider public.Suggesting convicted criminals only serve a quarter of their sentences?
Why not just get the judges to say those found guilty have been very naughty boys and / or girls and let them go with a “woe betide you if I see you here again”.
Which part rishi releasing 218 or keir looking to release 2Not sure bailing people waiting to be deported is going to A) Do anything other than encourage more crossings and B) Win more votes next time round.
I'm not suggesting Rwanda is the answer, but this is a dangerous start from Starmer.
Last two migrants bound for Rwanda to be bailed, home secretary says
New Prime Minister Keir Starmer confirms the scheme is now "dead and buried".www.bbc.co.uk
Which part rishi releasing 218 or keir looking to release 2
What would you have done then?
Out of interest, what would you suggest then?The point is that the the evidence does not demonstrate that it's a deterrent from offending or reoffending. There is no benefit in jailing them to the wider public.
I'm not interested in what the Tories did. Everyone knows their reign was a failure on migration and a big part of what them got voted out. If we're going to carry on like this, it's going to be a very quick 5 years for Labour. Certainly what they've been doing in the first two days they've got in is not going to be popular with many people in the real world, other than those that claim to pretend to care about humanitarian reasons as a front for really wanting open borders.
You can't sit there for 14 years swiping at the government every day, only for a new one to come in, do the same thing or worse, and then start blaming the old one with 'oh but look at them' within 48 hours. It's very silly.
I don't think you guys are getting it. Pete - you've literally just proved my point.
lf this is what we can expect, there's going to be 5 years of whataboutary and pointing the finger at a government no longer in power, followed by Labour being voted out and a 'how on earth did we lose again' going around.
There was a documentary on BBC (I think) a few months ago about systems in other countries. What was incredibly obvious from that was that countries that had lower sentences and concentrated on rehabilitation rather than punishment had much lower re-offending ratesSuggesting convicted criminals only serve a quarter of their sentences?
Why not just get the judges to say those found guilty have been very naughty boys and / or girls and let them go with a “woe betide you if I see you here again”.
But we don't know what Labour are going to do yet so you can't really say they're failing just yet.
They've knocked Rwanda on the head, (which was an expensive flop in my opinion), but that's irrelevant, let's see what they come up with and judge them on that.
We've had 14 years of Conservatives blaming Labour for everything. 48 hours into a Labour government and people are complaining they haven't sorted everything and saying they can't blame the previous governmentlf this is what we can expect, there's going to be 5 years of whataboutary and pointing the finger at a government no longer in power
What a sad state of affairs that two people is a talking point.
We've had 14 years of Conservatives blaming Labour for everything. 48 hours into a Labour government and people are complaining they haven't sorted everything and saying they can't blame the previous government
Rehabilitation over punishment. This is obviously for less serious crime. You have to understand and address if you can, the underlying reasons behind crime. Punishment does not do any of those things.Out of interest, what would you suggest then?
personally I feel that given the state of the country its fair to give them more than two days before people start declaring things aren't working. even Blair is sticking his oar in which hopefully isn't a sign of what we're going to have for the next 5 yearsWhy so defensive? No one is blaming Labour for everything. If the Tories are fair game for what they did, Labour should be the same for whatever they do going forwards. Or does it only work one way?
if you want to impact crime you need to tackle the causes of crime. if you want to stop people coming out of prisons reoffending you look to other countries who do that far more successfully than us and study what they are doing differently.Out of interest, what would you suggest then?
Yes I agree. I was never a fan of the Rwanda thing, but there needs to be a better solution. Ideally a processing centre in France as a starting point. My issue is with people straight away pointing at the last government because they don't have it in them to be honest. We all know the Tories are shit, but we have a fresh start now, and that's who we need to hold to account. I'm not a fan of Starmer either but I'm also prepared to get behind him for the good of the country. There's so many hypocrits it does my head in, especially when they pretend to be compassionate and caring human being that are actually the first ones to hand out vitriol.
All I’ve asked if what you’d have done? How about, what would you have liked them to have done?I don't think you guys are getting it. Pete - you've literally just proved my point.
lf this is what we can expect, there's going to be 5 years of whataboutary and pointing the finger at a government no longer in power, followed by Labour being voted out and a 'how on earth did we lose again' going around.
The irony of Torchomatic laughing at my post when the sneering of people like him diminishing people's concerns was a massive part of the reason we had brexit. I'm also not a Tory, but the label that gets planted on someone when they challenge the left is hilarious. Do any of you guys live in the real world? I laugh again because there's people on here criticising Brits abroad, when many of you haven't left your houses, let alone the west midlands in years.
YesIt’s been doing it to the Lib Dem’s and Greens for ages, not to mention the SDP. It’s literally the point of the system: keep the fringes on the fringe and force moderation.
Also people are calling for PR, the system that in NL just gave Geert Wilders power on 23% of the vote.
In a four or five party system 34% is the sort of vote that gives you power in any system. Are people really saying the want the Lib Dem’s or Reform as permanent king makers? And that would be more democratic?
Ah ok I understand your challenge to meI don't think you guys are getting it. Pete - you've literally just proved my point.
lf this is what we can expect, there's going to be 5 years of whataboutary and pointing the finger at a government no longer in power, followed by Labour being voted out and a 'how on earth did we lose again' going around.
The irony of Torchomatic laughing at my post when the sneering of people like him diminishing people's concerns was a massive part of the reason we had brexit. I'm also not a Tory, but the label that gets planted on someone when they challenge the left is hilarious. Do any of you guys live in the real world? I laugh again because there's people on here criticising Brits abroad, when many of you haven't left your houses, let alone the west midlands in years.
wasn't there an issue with the Reform candidate and they stop campaigning as it was too late to replace them? A rerun with a new reform candidate and Labour campaigning hard and she could be in troubleLooks like Badenoch could be in trouble.
some issue relating to postal votes in her constituency. Could be a rerun.
tbf it looks like it's not her fault (and it's not often you can say that about her!)Looks like Badenoch could be in trouble.
some issue relating to postal votes in her constituency. Could be a rerun.
There's a reason why me, you and everyone else on here isn't in prison, it's because we have a moral compass that keeps us on the (relatively) straight and narrow, regardless of the trauma life has thrown at us.if you want to impact crime you need to tackle the causes of crime. if you want to stop people coming out of prisons reoffending you look to other countries who do that far more successfully than us and study what they are doing differently.
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