Bastards, don't mess with mini Melton's pal!!
Bastards, don't mess with mini Melton's pal!!I'm not having that about Finham, one time the Marks and Spencer garage ran out of mini pork pies and coronation chicken
Actually it was a character in a book he wrote.No that was him liking a Jewish version of monopoly on Facebook Tony
Nope, no evidence they were racist.
Racism is the belief that groups of humans possess different behavioral traits corresponding to physical appearance and can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another
Groups of people = Muslim women
Different behaviour traits corresponding to physical appearance = wearing a burka and looking like a letterbox
Superiority = those that don't where burkas don't look like letterbox
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Yes, I do.Do you think it should be banned?
Different behaviour traits corresponding to physical appearance = wearing a burka and looking like a letterbox
Superiority = those that don't where burkas don't look like letterbox
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He specifically said 'Muslim Women' walking around looking like letterboxesWas Boris being anti-Muslim?, yes I'd say so. Was he being Islamophobic? Well, I doubt that the imposition of a fifth Islamic caliphate was uppermost on his mind, so no. Was he inferring that looking like a letterbox marked you out as a different race? Not much evidence of that, is there?
And this is how it is. Call out what you consider to a medieval practice with shades of misogyny (whatever the all round protestations) and the constructed weapons of race and irrationality are brought out against you.
Libertarian thinking my arse.
He specifically said 'Muslim Women' walking around looking like letterboxes
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On principle, I don’t think many people would disagree with the concept of giving nurses more than 1% pay rise.
The reality is, the amount the government has borrowed since COVID makes it unlikely the Government will increase the pay of public sector workers. It has to come from somewhere and it tax rises are needed to fund this, it’s more money out of everyone’s pocket, including public sector staff.
The government are receiving stock for this, but I know I’d rather the government increase taxation in more subtle ways. For example, they’ve frozen the thresholds in which we pay ‘x’ tax band. In practice, a tax hike without the increase rate on our payslips.
If you work in the public sector, you’ll never become rich.
I don't really get his point. My wife's family all think letter box women look ridiculous, they may not be massively religious but they celebrate Eid and such so would be hilarious to call them islamophobic. I'd imagine many Westernised people from Islamic races feel the same. Not sure why we have to pretend that something that looks ridiculous, doesn't look ridiculous.Do you think it should be banned?
He specifically said 'Muslim Women' walking around looking like letterboxes
Next you'll be saying the term bumboys to describe homosexual males isn't homophic?
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What is it that I have said that you don't understand? Yes, he was no doubt being anti-Muslim. Do you believe that there is a Muslim race? That would be odd, and factually incorrect.
What is it that I have said that you don't understand? Yes, he was no doubt being anti-Muslim. Do you believe that there is a Muslim race? That would be odd, and factually incorrect.
Whether people think what he said was racist or merely Islamophobic isn't really the point.
What he said was derogatory to a group of people, and his 'apology' was basically to say that he will continue to hold those views he just won't make them public while he is PM.
Whether people think what he said was racist or merely Islamophobic isn't really the point.
What he said was derogatory to a group of people, and his 'apology' was basically to say that he will continue to hold those views he just won't make them public while he is PM.
But we don’t ban being derogatory about groups of people based on fashion choices. We do it based on things they can’t change.
I'm thinking teenagers in hoodies here?But we don’t ban being derogatory about groups of people based on fashion choices. We do it based on things they can’t change.
Why should he apologise against forced exploitation of women forced to adopt aspects of a faith that demeans them. This was one of the most liberal freedom speeches he’s ever made
Why should he apologise? Do you speak on behalf of all Muslim women? Because lots of Muslim were offended by his comments.
Why should he apologise? Do you speak on behalf of all Muslim women? Because lots of Muslim were offended by his comments.
Who do you think suffers anti-Muslim abuse? Is it just Muslims or any brown person with a visible religion?
If you’re straight and I call you a bum boy is that no longer homophobic abuse? Equality legislation says it is.
Islamophobic abuse is cleary racially based, just like antisemitism is (bit clearer that as Jewish is a race and a religion).
In my day at uni people called them the sand people after Star Wars it seems. I felt sorry that they were forced and brainwashed into thinking it was acceptable. It’s outrageous then as it is now - do you agree with Macron this form of dress is illegal as it is in France?
I don't really get his point. My wife's family all think letter box women look ridiculous, they may not be massively religious but they celebrate Eid and such so would be hilarious to call them islamophobic. I'd imagine many Westernised people from Islamic races feel the same. Not sure why we have to pretend that something that looks ridiculous, doesn't look ridiculous.
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My Mrs is way more likely to be offended at being called BAME than anything else I think. Doesn't identify with that bullshit at all.There is of course the debate about whether referring to Islamic races is xenophobic. The political view being pushed out to all government departments, as promoted by the 'BAME' community, is that race is a social construct, and that there is no genetic basis for distinguishing between groups of people. We are of the same race, but have different ethnicity. The evidence for this view is based on the fact that there is greater genetic variation between groups collected together on lines of ethnicity and skin colour than between groups of different cultures and skin colour.
My Mrs is way more likely to be offended at being called BAME than anything else I think. Doesn't identify with that bullshit at all.
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No I don't think it should be illegal. I don't like it or agree with it, but it's their religion, none of my business.
And anyway all it's done in France is stoke both sides of the fire.
Plus going back to Johnson's comments it caused a big rise in Islamophobic incidents in this country, and you still don't think he should apologise?
My Mrs is way more likely to be offended at being called BAME than anything else I think. Doesn't identify with that bullshit at all.
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Christ what’s the point
Yes, the term is slowly being dropped, which is why I put it in apostrophes. Problem is, nobody appears to have told us what to replace it with, or not! I see the guardian has taken to referring to Black people, but I don't quite see how that fits is with the promoted concept of race as a social construct. Tricky waters to navigate as a civil servant!
Why am I not surprised you fail to see anything wrong with comments that lead to an increase in Islamophobic incidents (while being outraged at anti semitism in the Labour Party) .
RacismWhat is it that I have said that you don't understand? Yes, he was no doubt being anti-Muslim. Do you believe that there is a Muslim race? That would be odd, and factually incorrect.
But Labour members in this thread see the point you are blinded to?
No one does from what I gather. It would be like calling working class people C2DEs
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