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fatso · Jul 5, 2024

fernandopartridge said:
Immigration has not overwhelmed services or ability to maintain them, austerity has. The users of the most expensive public services are predominantly elderly people.

The elderly are also the ones who have paid into those services all of their working lives.
They are also the ones who built those services and ran them. So yea let's just demonise the pensioners!

Austerity has been a result of a number of governments mismanaging the economy, and the financial burden caused by a number of disastrous policies (foreign wars and the appalling effect of the banking crisis, along with covid etc) with the tax burden now the highest since ww2 there's no reason why Austerity should be an issue in 2024.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
Committing crime?

If you're staying here illegally then yes, very probably as yes, they'll have to get money from somewhere!

shmmeee · Jul 5, 2024

fatso said:
The elderly are also the ones who have paid into those services all of their working lives.
They are also the ones who built those services and ran them. So yea let's just demonise the pensioners!

Austerity has been a result of a number of governments mismanaging the economy, and the financial burden caused by a number of disastrous policies (foreign wars and the appalling effect of the banking crisis, along with covid etc) with the tax burden now the highest since ww2 there's no reason why Austerity should be an issue in 2024.

Tax will need to go up if we want to keep caring for Boomers in their old age.

skybluetony176 · Jul 5, 2024

fatso said:
The elderly are also the ones who have paid into those services all of their working lives.
They are also the ones who built those services and ran them. So yea let's just demonise the pensioners!

Austerity has been a result of a number of governments mismanaging the economy, and the financial burden caused by a number of disastrous policies (foreign wars and the appalling effect of the banking crisis, along with covid etc) with the tax burden now the highest since ww2 there's no reason why Austerity should be an issue in 2024.

Austerity is mismanaging the economy. It’s made the UK an unattractive place to invest and stagnated growth. There’s literally 14 years of data to back that up.

Mcbean · Jul 5, 2024

Gawd help any one with savings or a pension - prepare to be raided unless you are superich - migrant numbers set to explode in numbers over the next week

MalcSB · Jul 5, 2024

shmmeee said:
Tax will need to go up if we want to keep caring for Boomers in their old age.

They will be dying off and the increased taxes will be needed to pay for the Gen Xs

David O'Day · Jul 5, 2024

So Corbyn missed being father of the house by minutes

MalcSB · Jul 5, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I understood that.

As Labour haven’t taken votes from the Tories, they will need to get some from somewhere In 5 years time when there is a bit of left wing disillusionment and Tory memory loss. Hence the children’s vote.

David O'Day · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
As Labour haven’t taken votes from the Tories, they will need to get some from somewhere. Hence the children’s vote.

they have though, they took votes off them in seats they needed to gain

MalcSB · Jul 5, 2024

David O'Day said:
they have though, they took votes off them in seats they needed to gain

Sorry they didn’t. Look at number of seats where Tory + Reform greater then Labour but seat was a Labour gain.

TBH, it really doesn’t bother me if Labour voters want to delude themselves. I very much doubt that Labour Party officials and analysts will be so complacent. They will, of course, try to say it was all part of a cunning plan.

I have made my point and will leave it there. Better to focus on the Labour governments achievements over the coming years. I am really looking forward to my cheap zero carbon electricity and adequate EV charging infrastructure over the next 5 years.

shmmeee · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
They will be dying off and the increased taxes will be needed to pay for the Gen Xs

They’re called boomers for a reason

shmmeee · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
Sorry they didn’t. Look at number of seats where Tory + Reform greater then Labour.

TBH, it really doesn’t bother me if Labour voters want to delude themselves. I very much doubt that Labour Party officials and analysts will be so complacent.

I have made my point and will leave it there. Better to focus on the Labour governments achievements over the coming years. I am really looking forward to my cheap zero carbon electricity and adequate EV charging infrastructure over the next 5 years.

Look at the country where left greater than right. You can’t randomly group some parties and not others.

shmmeee · Jul 5, 2024

Green seats are interesting. Two urban left wing cities and two rural Tory seats. Will be interesting to see if the bit of the party they like to keep quiet about that actually runs their environmental policy will be a bit harder to hide now.

David O'Day · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
Sorry they didn’t. Look at number of seats where Tory + Reform greater then Labour but seat was a Labour gain.

TBH, it really doesn’t bother me if Labour voters want to delude themselves. I very much doubt that Labour Party officials and analysts will be so complacent. They will, of course, try to say it was all part of a cunning plan.

I have made my point and will leave it there. Better to focus on the Labour governments achievements over the coming years. I am really looking forward to my cheap zero carbon electricity and adequate EV charging infrastructure over the next 5 years.

yes they did, there is loads of seats with swings from con to lab of over 20%.

you aren't taking this well are you

fatso · Jul 5, 2024

skybluetony176 said:
Austerity is mismanaging the economy. It’s made the UK an unattractive place to invest and stagnated growth. There’s literally 14 years of data to back that up.

I don't disagree, but theres also data to show that the economy was bust when Labour last left office.
Remember the letter the labour Chancellor left? It may of been tongue in cheek, but the fact is we were in an appalling state financially.

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chiefdave · Jul 5, 2024

fatso said:
Remember the letter the labour Chancellor left?

how is this still a thing???

fatso · Jul 5, 2024

shmmeee said:
Tax will need to go up if we want to keep caring for Boomers in their old age.

I'm sure Starmer will massively reduce the amount of net migration. And with the millions of pounds per day saved he will be able to look after our pensioners properly!

Maybe he'll send them to Rwanda!

SBAndy · Jul 5, 2024

Mcbean said:
Gawd help any one with savings or a pension - prepare to be raided unless you are superich - migrant numbers set to explode in numbers over the next week

On a positive note, we’ll be closer to net zero migration than ever before because of all the rich people leaving because nasty Labour.

clint van damme · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
Sorry they didn’t. Look at number of seats where Tory + Reform greater then Labour but seat was a Labour gain.

Don't really see why people keep going on about this.
Why not counter it with combining the Labour and Lib dem vote?
There is nothing to suggest the tory and Conservative vote will be amalgamated behind a single party at the next election.

clint van damme · Jul 5, 2024

Mcbean said:
Gawd help any one with savings or a pension - prepare to be raided unless you are superich - migrant numbers set to explode in numbers over the next week

Have you been asleep for the last 2 years or did you miss what the Truss budget did to pensions and how peoples savings were depleted trying to meet massive hikes in mortgage payments?

I've made my feelings on Starmer known on here but at least let's give him a few months to see if he can be less of a car crash than the recent encumbents

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 5, 2024

clint van damme said:
Don't really see why people keep going on about this.
Why not counter it with combining the Labour and Lib dem vote?
There is nothing to suggest the tory and Conservative vote will be amalgamated behind a single party at the next election.

If they did do a deal you'd hope Labour and Lib would be wise enough to do similar however

SkyBlueCharlie9 · Jul 5, 2024

Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
Are you saying that Immigration has had absolutely no effect ? it is running at well over 500k per year for the last few years when previously it was low tens of thousands.
We should be able to let several million migrants under 40 per year and it would have little impact, by your logic. And that would help boost the economy

Immigration does boost economy as we have a shortage of available working age people. Surely if the hard right wing get into power in France there will be greater immigration coming to the UK?

SkyBlueMatt · Jul 5, 2024

chiefdave said:
how is this still a thing???

I know, the same old, boring line. The country was a rich paradise when Labour left compared to what has now been left to them by the Tories.

My vote for Labour was an antiTory one, they will have to prove themselves now. Lets not try and paint this as anything other than a dramatic loss for the Conservatives. They will win votes back but Labour will too, they have the upper hand going into the next election. Israel would have lost them a considerable amount. Many wouldn't have bothered because they don't like rice pudding, Tory-lite Labour and there was no risk as it was a foregone conclusion.

Reform hit the similar numbers as UKIP did, that's their limit. The only way they become a serious challenger is if they play it smart when they merge with the Tories.

The fact that Corbyn got more votes in 17 & 19. If Labour keep pushing further away from the left, they have no chance. On the U16 vote, I think Greens would probably get the biggest boost from them.

MalcSB · Jul 5, 2024

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shmmeee said:
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clint van damme said:
Don't really see why people keep going on about this.
Why not counter it with combining the Labour and Lib dem vote?
There is nothing to suggest the tory and Conservative vote will be amalgamated behind a single party at the next election.

I’m pretty sure the Tory and conservative vote will be amalgamated at the next election.

Deleted member 5849 · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
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I’m pretty sure the Tory and conservative vote will be amalgamated at the next election.

Yes

robbiekeane · Jul 5, 2024

Liquid Gold said:
Sunak will resign and be in California within a couple of years. why wouldn't you

It’s lovely to be fair

MalcSB · Jul 5, 2024

SkyBlueMatt said:
I know, the same old, boring line. The country was a rich paradise when Labour left compared to what has now been left to them by the Tories.

My vote for Labour was an antiTory one, they will have to prove themselves now. Lets not try and paint this as anything other than a dramatic loss for the Conservatives. They will win votes back but Labour will too, they have the upper hand going into the next election. Israel would have lost them a considerable amount. Many wouldn't have bothered because they don't like rice pudding, Tory-lite Labour and there was no risk as it was a foregone conclusion.

Reform hit the similar numbers as UKIP did, that's their limit. The only way they become a serious challenger is if they play it smart when they merge with the Tories.

The fact that Corbyn got more votes in 17 & 19. If Labour keep pushing further away from the left, they have no chance. On the U16 vote, I think Greens would probably get the biggest boost from them.

Your last point is an interesting one.
And yes, a dramatic loss for the Conservatives.

David O'Day · Jul 5, 2024

twitter has some high class corbynite cope today

clint van damme · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
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I’m pretty sure the Tory and conservative vote will be amalgamated at the next election.

Freudian slip but it might not be!

shmmeee · Jul 5, 2024

fatso said:
I'm sure Starmer will massively reduce the amount of net migration. And with the millions of pounds per day saved he will be able to look after our pensioners properly!

Maybe he'll send them to Rwanda!

Paying pensioners £3k to move to Rwanda is the kind of bold blue sky policy I want from a Labour super majority.

shmmeee · Jul 5, 2024

Something about the Starmer memes just tickles me. The most unmemeable man alive.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 5, 2024

shmmeee said:
Something about the Starmer memes just tickles me. The most unmemeable man alive.

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Hmmm

Alan Dugdales Moustache · Jul 5, 2024

SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
Immigration does boost economy as we have a shortage of available working age people. Surely if the hard right wing get into power in France there will be greater immigration coming to the UK?

Even greater. We don't need it.

shmmeee · Jul 5, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Hmmm

“Winning elections is Tory” really isn’t the sick burn the left seem to think TBH.

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