Brighton Sky Blue
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Having just seen Starmer’s speech, if he acts in the way he’s described I can’t have any complaints.
And Corbyn still got more votes… both times
This is correct, but 2017 Corbyn had me engaged and believing in a politician like I haven’t come close to before or since. Just by simply displaying an energetic belief in progressive causes.And lost both times, although thick twats like Richard Burgon seemed to struggle with that concept.
Nearly winning doesn't change lives for the better.
And that's before you even get to Corbyn's Labour being an absolute disaster & completely unelectable getting 12,877,918 vote (40%) and 10,269,051 (32.1%) compared to Starmer's Labour being celebrated as the greatest triumph ever seen with 9,686,329 (33.7%)
Fair enough. The other way around for me. Despite being a lifelong labour member he turned me off. I could never see him being PM. Some of the truly dreadful people he surrounded himself with didn't help.This is correct, but 2017 Corbyn had me engaged and believing in a politician like I haven’t come close to before or since. Just by simply displaying an energetic belief in progressive causes.
Are you saying that Immigration has had absolutely no effect ? it is running at well over 500k per year for the last few years when previously it was low tens of thousands.Immigration has not overwhelmed services or ability to maintain them, austerity has. The users of the most expensive public services are predominantly elderly people.
Immigration has not overwhelmed services or ability to maintain them, austerity has. The users of the most expensive public services are predominantly elderly people.
I feel the way about Starmer that you did about Corbyn. I mostly just want a leader who stops being ashamed of the policies and ideas that would benefit and be popular with more people than not.Fair enough. The other way around for me. Despite being a lifelong labour member he turned me off. I could never see him being PM. Some of the truly dreadful people he surrounded himself with didn't help.
More importantly, the electorate couldn't see him as PM either.
One of them is the huge constituency in the Highlands, don’t know about the otherWhich are the two seats that haven't declared? Have they lost the ballot papers or something?
Immigration has not overwhelmed services or ability to maintain them, austerity has. The users of the most expensive public services are predominantly elderly people.
One of them is the huge constituency in the Highlands, don’t know about the other
south basildon and thurrock eastOne of them is the huge constituency in the Highlands, don’t know about the other
Surprised that Grendel hasn’t asked SBT for an exclusive on the Basildon onesouth basildon and thurrock east
both seats recounting, south basildon today and the scottish one tomorrow
Surprised that Grendel hasn’t asked SBT for an exclusive on the Basildon one
he is busy managing the england team in germany thoughLet's hope he doesn't, the NHS won't be able to cope with the sudden influx of split sides.
But on a serious note, SBT hasn't posted since somebody brought up his wife's background. Which is fair enough.
They didn’t fall for it, it’s Tories who Labour hadn't convinced to switch to them,I had one look through Reforms policies, realised how unaffordable it was and didn't read again. I cant believe over 4million people fell for it.
Absolutely no saltiness from me. I was expecting the result in terms of number of seats, but I was also expect8ng a huge swing from Conservative to Labour which simply didn’t happen. people are leaving a laugh ing emoji against my post, but the numbers in terms of votes don’t lie.Literally all that matters is winning the election, by as large a margin as possible, and that's exactly what they've done.
How can a huge majority be anything other than a brilliant result, to suggest anything else is just saltiness.
They didn’t fall for it, it’s Tories who Labour hadn't convinced to switch to them,
It doesn’t mean that 65% of the electorate voted against them, 65% of those who voted, voted against them.That's not how things work.
A large majority is traditionally the worst outcome for any party. As weird as that seems.
With no effective opposition, there are no "checks or balances" in the house of commons. The party with the massive majority doesn't need to unite and eventually starts to fragment, making it impossible to lead and ends up in fragmentation.
That's exactly what we've seen in the Conservative party since they won their massive majority in 2019.
I'd also point out that Labour won their landslide victory with only 35% of the vote.
So that means that 65% of the electorate voted against them, and didn't want them in office.
This inevitably will mean that those 65% will feel disengaged with the Labour party. That doesn't bode well for an incoming government, so I'd expect Starmers problems have only just started.
Go Google to try and find the total for greens vote Actual number, nothing, seats yes.
Third choice Reform total plastered everywhere, not relevant to my question!!
It doesn’t mean that 65% of the electorate voted against them, 65% of those who voted, voted against them.
It actually means that 80% of the electorate didn’t vote for them.
But we need our working people alive to pay for our pensions.Bring back COVID to get rid
(This is a joke)
Go Google to try and find the total for greens vote Actual number, nothing, seats yes.
Third choice Reform total plastered everywhere, not relevant to my question!!
Are they on benefits? If so, should they be?My last job was working from home and it was pretty shocking to me how many people in my area are around in the day and clearly not working, and not just those that are retired. And they definately weren't people who were working from home as they were never working!
Remember looking up some stats and 1 in 4 working age people don't work which is pretty crazy when there's basically full employment and plenty of sectors with staff shortages.
You were pretty close to making a coherent point until you finished with this. Another unwanted import from the USAbsolutely no saltiness from me. I was expecting the result in terms of number of seats, but I was also expect8ng a huge swing from Conservative to Labour which simply didn’t happen. people are leaving a laugh ing emoji against my post, but the numbers in terms of votes don’t lie.
It’s going to have to be a pretty remarkable 5 years of Labour rule to get voters to switch from Reform to Labour rather than back to Conservative. A second terms certainly isn’t guaranteed, without rigging the electorate that is.
I think he throws them out as gentle pokes tbh.You were pretty close to making a coherent point until you finished with this. Another unwanted import from the US
LikewiseI think he throws them out as gentle pokes tbh.
I hope so, anyway!
You were pretty close to making a coherent point until you finished with this. Another unwanted import from the US
Committing crime?If you're staying in this country illegally, either after your visa expires or your claim for asylum is refused, what you're not doing is claiming benefits!
I understood that.I think “rigging the electorate” is more a nod to the potential reduction of voting age to 16.
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