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skybluetony176 · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
Labour have hardly a greater share of the vote than last time - when they suffered a heavy defeat. Hardly a ringing endorsement of their policies, is it. They will have to play their cards very carefully despite having a huge majority, many of their gains would easily be reversed.

No doubt the seats won vs votes won flatters Labour to deceive. I think the turnout tells a story on its own too though. Down about 7.5%. You also have to consider Reforms performance against previous Ferage fronted parties performances historically. He had a loyal following at the polls long before Reform was a thing.

The way I see it Labour have 5 years to earn this result otherwise I don’t doubt that the next GE will be a different story, probably a hung parliament.

skybluetony176 · Jul 5, 2024

Result of the night for me is the Greens getting all four seats they were hoping for. Most pleasing result for me anyway.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 5, 2024

skybluetony176 said:
Result of the night for me is the Greens getting all four seats they were hoping for. Most pleasing result for me anyway.

Think that shows that where people think the Greens have a shout of winning they’ll vote for them.

PVA · Jul 5, 2024

Imagine how it would have felt waking up to another 4 or 5 years of Tory rule. Eugh.

But those fuckers have been turfed out. The quarter finals start today with two cracking games.

clint van damme · Jul 5, 2024

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What a ridiculous post.

You can't call everyone that disagrees with your opinion a racist or that they 'didn't know what they were voting for'. It's extremely arrogant sneering.

I'm not cheerleader for anyone either. Is there a single person that doesn't want a left leaning party to win on here? It's an echo chamber rather than a genuine politics thread, and it seems odd to me that a party that were invented 5 minutes ago, of whom many people would have voted for as a protest has caused so many on here to get rattled. Maybe instead of rubbishing it, some of the thoughts of those people can be used to make the country a better place. Ironically, the dismissal of those people was one of the largest factors in the brexit vote.

It's not an echo chamber.
There are more left leaning posters definitely, but there are a fair few right leaning, (yourself, Malc, Mucca, Grendel, Sir Ernie).
And several on the left haven't voted Labour while several on the right haven't voted tory.
Thats not an echo chamber.

MalcSB · Jul 5, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
If the Tories want to get back in they either have to make him go away or unite with him. Either way, Starmer only got 35% of the vote in England. I could genuinely see it being a one term government

It isn’t an election for England. Starmer has 33.8% of the UK vote on a 60% turnout. The support of just over 20% of the electorate is hardly a resounding endorsement.

fernandopartridge · Jul 5, 2024

skybluetony176 said:
No doubt the seats won vs votes won flatters Labour to deceive. I think the turnout tells a story on its own too though. Down about 7.5%. You also have to consider Reforms performance against previous Ferage fronted parties performances historically. He had a loyal following at the polls long before Reform was a thing.

The way I see it Labour have 5 years to earn this result otherwise I don’t doubt that the next GE will be a different story, probably a hung parliament.

It's strange but yeah, Labour massive majority yet it's on a knife edge.

Evo1883 · Jul 5, 2024

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
What a ridiculous post.

You can't call everyone that disagrees with your opinion a racist or that they 'didn't know what they were voting for'. It's extremely arrogant sneering.

I'm not cheerleader for anyone either. Is there a single person that doesn't want a left leaning party to win on here? It's an echo chamber rather than a genuine politics thread, and it seems odd to me that a party that were invented 5 minutes ago, of whom many people would have voted for as a protest has caused so many on here to get rattled. Maybe instead of rubbishing it, some of the thoughts of those people can be used to make the country a better place. Ironically, the dismissal of those people was one of the largest factors in the brexit vote.

Why wouldn't people sneer ? Coventry is a Labour city and the wanky right wing have ruled Britain for 14 years .

25% of this forum had the intention of voting right wing parties , as per the election poll

Fuck reform and fuck the tories mate tbh

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
It isn’t an election for England. Starmer has 33.8% of the UK vote on a 60% turnout. The support of just over 20% of the electorate is hardly a resounding endorsement.

Imagine what might have been with some charisma and something more of a vision. The Greens gained ridiculous numbers off Labour in Bristol just by arguing for what Labour should have been in the first place.

SIR ERNIE · Jul 5, 2024

Undeniably it's a huge victory but no one can pretend there's much enthusiasm across the UK for this Labour Govt.
Just 9.9m votes in total, 21% of the total electorate.
Much more a punishment and rightly so, of the Conservatives.

clint van damme · Jul 5, 2024

Sick Boy said:
It really depends on how mad they go. Unifying the parties would be a long shot but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him ending up as leader, which I think is his long game.

He would have to be fiscally far more shrewd than he's currently demonstrating. Though I'm fairly sure he'd abandon his current principles at the drop of a hat!

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 · Jul 5, 2024

clint van damme said:
It's not an echo chamber.
There are more left leaning posters definitely, but there are a fair few right leaning, (yourself, Malc, Mucca, Grendel, Sir Ernie).
And several on the left haven't voted Labour while several on the right haven't voted tory.
Thats not an echo chamber.

Evo1883 said:
Why wouldn't people sneer ? Coventry is a Labour city and the wanky right wing have ruled Britain for 14 years .

25% of this forum had the intention of voting right wing parties , as per the election poll

Fuck reform and fuck the tories mate tbh

How many non-left wing people are engaging in the debate in comparison? It is an echo chamber rather than a balanced debate. Comments like this don't really help either.

MalcSB · Jul 5, 2024

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Imagine what might have been with some charisma and something more of a vision. The Greens gained ridiculous numbers off Labour in Bristol just by arguing for what Labour should have been in the first place.

I voted Labour / Blair in 1997, so yes some charisma and a vision would have made a huge difference.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Jul 5, 2024

SIR ERNIE said:
Undeniably it's a huge victory but no one can pretend there's much enthusiasm across the UK for this Labour Govt.
Just 9.9m votes in total, 21% of the total electorate.
Much more a punishment and rightly so, of the Conservatives.

Was about to post the same.... kier the nowhere man has managed to increase labour's share of the vote by a huge 1.6% since their worst showing in 2019....

clint van damme · Jul 5, 2024

Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
How many non-left wing people are engaging in the debate in comparison? It is an echo chamber rather than a balanced debate. Comments like this don't really help either.

There's a difference between being an echo chamber and not engaging in debate properly.
And I'm sure we can find posts which are,shall we say, less than constructive, from all sides of the debate, including me and you!

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 5, 2024

Not much

MalcSB · Jul 5, 2024

jimmyhillsfanclub said:
Was about to post the same.... kier the nowhere man has managed to increase labour's share of the vote by a huge 1.6% since their worst showing in 2019.... Time for full scale electoral reform

It won’t be full scale reform though. It will be turning elections in to child’s play.

MalcSB · Jul 5, 2024

clint van damme said:
He would have to be fiscally far more shrewd than he's currently demonstrating. Though I'm fairly sure he'd abandon his current principles at the drop of a hat!

I don’t think the Tories are that bonkers,

MalcSB · Jul 5, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Not much

Not much what?

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
It isn’t an election for England. Starmer has 33.8% of the UK vote on a 60% turnout. The support of just over 20% of the electorate is hardly a resounding endorsement.

That’s democracy
Including people having the right not to vote and not to sign up to vote

Sky Blue Pete · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
Not much what?

Sleep sorry

MalcSB · Jul 5, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
Sleep sorry

Do we get a prayer for the new government today?

MalcSB · Jul 5, 2024

Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s democracy
Including people having the right not to vote and not to sign up to vote

It is democracy, it’s not an endorsement or a mandate.

Mucca Mad Boys · Jul 5, 2024

Ian1779 said:
So what other key note policies will Reform be championing over the next 5 years other than ‘blame the foreigners’

Lowering taxation - that was their main pitch to voters.

If you think it’s just about immigration, you underestimate their threat. Reform ran Labour close on many northern seats so Starmer can’t rest easy thinking he’ll have 2 terms guaranteed.

PVA · Jul 5, 2024

PVA said:
Going to enjoy all the 'not much love for Labour/Starmer' stuff as they cruise to about a million seats

Posted yesterday... Didn't take long

CCFCSteve · Jul 5, 2024

Interesting election

Low turnout
Very small margins/percentages* swinging large numbers of seats
Rise of the small, single (ish) issue parties - reform and some independents (Palestine) which could be resolved by next election

Should be some better times ahead in the short term at least. Inflation hopefully under control, BoE should start cutting rates in the next month or two and there should be at least a small growth/investment boost. All of these should give starmer/reeves some wriggle room to be a bit bolder. Just some competence, vision and stability would be nice though

*apart from -20% drop in Tory vote obviously

SIR ERNIE · Jul 5, 2024

Labour 35% share of vote.
Conservative + Reform 38%.
This against the backdrop of a shockingly awful Conservative Govt.

The figures behind the landslide victory suggest that Starmer will struggle to get more than one term.

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 5, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Lowering taxation - that was their main pitch to voters.

If you think it’s just about immigration, you underestimate their threat. Reform ran Labour close on many northern seats so Starmer can’t rest easy thinking he’ll have 2 terms guaranteed.

It really wasn’t their main pitch. Farage repeated countless times the idea that immigrants are the reason people are worse off.

jimmyhillsfanclub · Jul 5, 2024

Somethings got to change.
40% of the electorate totally disenfranchised despite the desperate years we've recently endured.
Power distribution in the commons is nowhere near calibrated to the voice of the people....which will lead to further disillusion....
...we're in a ever decreasing circle of real representation

torchomatic · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
I voted Labour / Blair in 1997, so yes some charisma and a vision would have made a huge difference.

I think after Johnson people wanted more than perceived charisma. Johnson was an empty vessel. Starmer isn't the most dynamic, but the country needs stability after the shitshow of the last few years.

clint van damme · Jul 5, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Lowering taxation - that was their main pitch to voters.

If you think it’s just about immigration, you underestimate their threat. Reform ran Labour close on many northern seats so Starmer can’t rest easy thinking he’ll have 2 terms guaranteed.

None of their tax pledges stand up to any scrutiny and certainly not the sort of scrutiny a major party would get. Like the greens, they can get away with it given their current status but as they grow they'll be put more and more in 5he spotlight.
It's trussenomics and we saw how that ended.

SIR ERNIE · Jul 5, 2024

MalcSB said:
Do we get a prayer for the new government today?

The heavens have already given us their verdict.
Miserable weather, pissing down.

Evo1883 · Jul 5, 2024

Mucca Mad Boys said:
Lowering taxation - that was their main pitch to voters.

If you think it’s just about immigration, you underestimate their threat. Reform ran Labour close on many northern seats so Starmer can’t rest easy thinking he’ll have 2 terms guaranteed.

Reform offered alot that they can't deliver knowing they'd be nowhere near power .. easy to promise when you know you will never have to back those promises up

clint van damme · Jul 5, 2024

SIR ERNIE said:
Labour 35% share of vote.
Conservative + Reform 38%.
This against the backdrop of a shockingly awful Conservative Govt.

The figures behind the landslide victory suggest that Starmer will struggle to get more than one term.

Unless he's successful of course!

Brighton Sky Blue · Jul 5, 2024

clint van damme said:
Unless he's successful of course!

Have to hope he is. To properly fix the country, the Tories need to be out for a long time.

The support in both England and Scotland is very fragile though. Pissed off SNP voters turning to Labour and Reform splitting the right wing vote can’t be counted on again.

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