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Ccfcisparks

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,956
dubed said:
No, it wasn't racist. It was culturist. Nothing in what he wrote in any inferred that Muslims were an inferior race. Inferior culture maybe, but not race.
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Your profile picture is horrifying. Everytime I look at it it sends a shiver down my spine haha
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,957
shmmeee said:
Genuinely don’t see the problem with Johnson’s comments. The guy is clearly a racist as most from his background are, but his article was a defence of burka wearing in the spirit of classic liberalism.

Goldsmiths campaign was disgusting though, and some of the attitudes of newer MPs are very concerning.
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Think you might feel differently if you were affected by his comments

https://www.google.com/urlsa=t&sour...d Muslim women to ‘letterboxes’, figures show
 

shmmeee

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,958
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Nothing wrong with comparisons to burglars and letterboxes? Wow
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Not really in context. No different to saying nuns look like penguins or whatever. His entire point is that may be what he thinks but it’s their right to wear what they want.

But I don’t get precious about word play and analogies so YMMV.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,959
PVA said:
The state of this 'apology' from Johnson.

'I'll continue to be racist I just won't do it so publicly while I'm PM'


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The comments are not racist at all though
 
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fatso

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,960
dubed said:
No, it wasn't racist. It was culturist. Nothing in what he wrote in any inferred that Muslims were an inferior race, if indeed you believe that race is other than a social construct. Islam as a inferior culture maybe, but not 'race'.
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Yea, I thought Islam was a religion, not a race.
But I guess that doesnt fit some peoples narrative.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,961
fatso said:
Yea, I thought Islam was a religion, not a race.
But I guess that doesnt fit some peoples narrative.
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The much overblown piccanniny watermelon smile thing was not racist either
 

shmmeee

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,962
Grendel said:
The much overblown piccanniny watermelon smile thing was not racist either
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Ah, you went too far. That was definitely racist, the word alone is racist.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,963
Grendel said:
The much overblown piccanniny watermelon smile thing was not racist either
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Are you serious?
 

shmmeee

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,964
Deleted member 9744 said:
Think you might feel differently if you were affected by his comments

https://www.google.com/urlsa=t&sour...d Muslim women to ‘letterboxes’, figures show
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Not really. There were 30 more incidents compared to the previous week but as a whole street harassment of Muslims was lower in 2018 than 2017. A one week spike doesn’t prove causation at all.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,965
shmmeee said:
Not really in context. No different to saying nuns look like penguins or whatever. His entire point is that may be what he thinks but it’s their right to wear what they want.

But I don’t get precious about word play and analogies so YMMV.
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If people call Muslims ‘letterboxes’ in school we suspend them
 
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Grendel

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,966
shmmeee said:
Ah, you went too far. That was definitely racist, the word alone is racist.
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So is big white chief and big white jet
 

shmmeee

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,967
Grendel said:
So is big white chief and big white jet
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OK Brendan. Except “white” isn’t racist in isolation but “picaninny” is.
 

Grendel

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,968
Ccfcisparks said:
Are you serious?
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He was accusing Anthony Charles Lynton Blair of being the white imperialist looking down on his black flock as he gurned around the Congo looking for cheap deals. It was a swipe at colonialism
 

shmmeee

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,969
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If people call Muslims ‘letterboxes’ in school we suspend them
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Im not sure I’d want to live in a country that ran according to a secondary school behaviour policy TBH.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,970
Grendel said:
He was accusing Anthony Charles Lynton Blair of being the white imperialist looking down on his black flock as he gurned around the Congo looking for cheap deals. It was a swipe at colonialism
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Yes and the term he used was still racist. You are becoming a parody of yourself.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,971
shmmeee said:
Im not sure I’d want to live in a country that ran according to a secondary school behaviour policy TBH.
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I didn’t say people should go to prison for it. Just that I’m not comfortable comparing Muslims to letterboxes and burglars. If you are, you do you
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,972
Grendel said:
He was accusing Anthony Charles Lynton Blair of being the white imperialist looking down on his black flock as he gurned around the Congo looking for cheap deals. It was a swipe at colonialism
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Two can play the full name game

Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson
Gideon Osborne
‘Call me Dave’ Cameron
 
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PVA

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,973
Grendel said:
The much overblown piccanniny watermelon smile thing was not racist either
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For fuck sake.

There is nothing you won't defend him for.

Embarrassing.
 

Grendel

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,974
Ccfcisparks said:
Yes and the term he used was still racist. You are becoming a parody of yourself.
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No he was parodying Blair

Boris Johnson and the 'piccaninny' smear | The Spectator

Boris Johnson likes to call black people 'piccaninnies’. Everyone’s saying it. Even Stormzy said it this week in his endorsement of Jeremy Corbyn. It is ‘criminally dangerous’ to give the keys of Downing Street back to a man who refers to ‘black people as “piccaninnies” with “watermelon...
www.google.co.uk
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,975
Grendel said:
No he was parodying Blair

Boris Johnson and the 'piccaninny' smear | The Spectator

Boris Johnson likes to call black people 'piccaninnies’. Everyone’s saying it. Even Stormzy said it this week in his endorsement of Jeremy Corbyn. It is ‘criminally dangerous’ to give the keys of Downing Street back to a man who refers to ‘black people as “piccaninnies” with “watermelon...
www.google.co.uk
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How many PMs have been sacked for dishonesty from previous jobs?
 

Grendel

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,976
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Two can play the full name game

Alexander de Pfeffel Johnson
Gideon Osborne
‘Call me Dave’ Cameron
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The funniest today was that fool Femi spouting utter drivel about the rather unpleasant black version of Tommy Robinson who was shot in the head and saying she was a key member of BLM and had death threats and couldn’t really believe the police implying she wasn’t targeted as a shot in the head.

To give her some kind of curious legitimacy he also skilled in she was “Oxford educated”
 
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Grendel

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,977
Brighton Sky Blue said:
How many PMs have been sacked for dishonesty from previous jobs?
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Most haven’t had jobs
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,978
Grendel said:
No he was parodying Blair

Boris Johnson and the 'piccaninny' smear | The Spectator

Boris Johnson likes to call black people 'piccaninnies’. Everyone’s saying it. Even Stormzy said it this week in his endorsement of Jeremy Corbyn. It is ‘criminally dangerous’ to give the keys of Downing Street back to a man who refers to ‘black people as “piccaninnies” with “watermelon...
www.google.co.uk
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Yes but is the term racist or not
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,979
Grendel said:
The funniest today was that fool Femi spouting utter drivel about the rather unpleasant black version of Tommy Robinson who was shot in the head and saying she was a key member of BLM and had death threats and couldn’t really believe the police implying she wasn’t targeted as a shot in the head.

To give her some kind of curious legitimacy he also skilled in she was “Oxford educated”
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Ah, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon.
 

Grendel

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,980
Ccfcisparks said:
Yes but is the term racist or not
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well you think letter box is - it isn’t and it’s to create debate
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,981
Grendel said:
well you think letter box is - it isn’t and it’s to create debate
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Is the term "Pickaninny Watermelon Smiles" racist?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,982
Grendel said:
well you think letter box is - it isn’t and it’s to create debate
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I take it that if Mr Corbyn penned a piece in the Guardian comparing Jews to hot cross buns you’d make no comment
 

Evo1883

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,983
Brighton Sky Blue said:
If people call Muslims ‘letterboxes’ in school we suspend them
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Ccfcisparks

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,984
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I take it that if Mr Corbyn penned a piece in the Guardian comparing Jews to hot cross buns you’d make no comment
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Have you not got the memo we are calling or MP's and former MP's by their full name, so that is Jeremy Bernard Corbyn to you.
 

Grendel

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,985
Ccfcisparks said:
Is the term "Pickaninny Watermelon Smiles" racist?
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Yes that’s why he said it. He was projected it as thoughts of the supreme white leader Anthony Charles Lynton Blair not his own - read the whole article and that becomes clear
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,986
Evo1883 said:
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Well funnily enough if someone called a Muslim in my class a letterbox or a burglar and I did nothing I’d probably get hauled up in front of senior management
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,987
Grendel said:
Yes that’s why he said it. He was projected it as thoughts of the supreme white leader Anthony Charles Lynton Blair not his own - read the whole article and that becomes clear
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So is that you admitting that Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson has made racist comments in the past?
 

Evo1883

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,988
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Well funnily enough if someone called a Muslim in my class a letterbox or a burglar and I did nothing I’d probably get hauled up in front of senior management
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That's the correct answer
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,989
Evo1883 said:
That's the correct answer
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?
 

Evo1883

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  • May 25, 2021
  • #3,990
Brighton Sky Blue said:
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Suspended because senior management demand it not because its the correct thing to do .

Education not punishment at such a young age
 
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