Sky Blue Pete
Well-Known Member
It won’t be anywhere near as clear cut I don’t think
Lab 35
Con 25
Reform 15
Lib Dem 12
Green 6
share of vote
Think they’ll be a lot of shy Tory voters so the initial exit poll will be out too.
It won’t be anywhere near as clear cut I don’t thinkLet’s see if it translates to reality in the polling booths. The simultaneous destruction of both Tories and the SNP would be a wet dream
So the left wing approach to staffing health and social care is not to pay a market rate for the jobs, but rather to exploit cheap immigrant labour.
It won’t be anywhere near as clear cut I don’t think
Lab 35
Con 25
Reform 15
Lib Dem 12
Green 6
share of vote
Think they’ll be a lot of shy Tory voters so the initial exit poll will be out too.
So the left wing approach to staffing health and social care is not to pay a market rate for the jobs, but rather to exploit cheap immigrant labour.
Actual fascists will proudly call themselves fascist.It’s incredible how much discourse over the last few years has been dedicated to the idea that you can’t call racists racist, you can’t call fascists fascist and any criticism of cultural figures on the right is “cancel culture”.
It surely amounts to weaponised propaganda.
Pay a market rate to make the jobs attractive to UK citizens would be a good start.Social care is hanging by a thread, without immigrant labour it would implode, this has happened on the tory watch.
Admittedly is a problem in plenty of other countries as we all live longer.
So what's your solution or what will the tories do to fix it?
So the left wing approach to staffing health and social care is not to pay a market rate for the jobs, but rather to exploit cheap immigrant labour.
it'll be wider than that, the "shy tory" thing is a myth these days. Also the by elections were pretty much in line with pollingIt won’t be anywhere near as clear cut I don’t think
Lab 35
Con 25
Reform 15
Lib Dem 12
Green 6
share of vote
Think they’ll be a lot of shy Tory voters so the initial exit poll will be out too.
Pay a market rate to make the jobs attractive to UK citizens would be a good start.
Or the left will tax people to the limit where it no longer becomes viable for them to work.The left wing approach would be to raise taxes to a level where we can pay wages in many public sector roles that are competitive with shelf stacking at Aldi. But that approach doesn’t win elections so this is what we get.
With social care, proper training and a career structure alongside decent wages would make a huge difference.I'm all for it. And for NHS staff, I'm sure you're an advocate for that as well.
Unfortunately it's highly unlikely to happen.
But then the benefits system needs to be looked at as well.Or the left will tax people to the limit where it no longer becomes viable for them to work.
Or the left will tax people to the limit where it no longer becomes viable for them to work.
There has to be another way.In which case we suppress wages and keep importing labour.
Is there another way?
he is, really really unpopular with virtually all groupsHe is not unpopular with the target audience.
I think social care providers exploit immigrant and indigenous workers because they can. Whilst public sector commissioners, mainly local authorities limit both the price they will pay and the cases they support, those who pay themselves have seen prices escalate. I’m not convinced that care providers are struggling financially.The point is that there isn't capacity in the domestic Labour market.
That said, it is also true that social care in particular 'exploit' cheap wages, more out of being forced to do so after years of real terms cuts to the rates paid to them by their commissioners. The commissioners that are forced to do so because of years of real terms cuts to their budgets.
Benefit system?But then the benefits system needs to be looked at as well.
I think social care providers exploit immigrant and indigenous workers because they can. Whilst public sector commissioners, mainly local authorities limit both the price they will pay and the cases they support, those who pay themselves have seen prices escalate. I’m not convinced that care providers are struggling financially.
That doesn’t make my statement incorrect. Starmer isn’t all that popular himself is he?he is, really really unpopular with virtually all groups
I totally agree that these need to be addressed as well - but it has to pay to work.Benefit system?
Like tax avoidance, utility dividends and the PPE VIP lane you mean?
The people who have really rinsed this country at huge personal gain to themselves.
I totally agree that these need to be addressed as well - but it has to pay to work.
However, with regards to covid in general and to PPE in particular we will never know what a Labour Government would have done.
Not actually true i you look at some of the approval rating polls, but that isn't why he is going to win. Boris Johnson who is deeply unpopular to everyone apart from a few bat shit crazies is actually part of the reason Starmer is going to be PM on Friday.That doesn’t make my statement incorrect. Starmer isn’t all that popular himself is he?
Well argued response
What's your solution for the ten years until.we have fully trained doctors in place, even if we started a mass recruitment now?So the left wing approach to staffing health and social care is not to pay a market rate for the jobs, but rather to exploit cheap immigrant labour.
Stop planning on the basis that immigration will solve the problem and have a strategy to “grow our own”. Nobody is dumb enough to think it can be done overnight.What's your solution for the ten years until.we have fully trained doctors in place, even if we started a mass recruitment now?
Stop planning on the basis that immigration will solve the problem and have a strategy to “grow our own”. Nobody is dumb enough to think it can be done overnight.
Years without a pay rise tends to piss people off.Given what's going on with junior doctors I'm not sure it's a very attractive career path.
Could not agree more with this. When I look at the amount I'm charged every week for my Dad and then the lack of maintenance at the care home, the budget for meals, the pay to staff etc it doesn't even come close to making any sense.Care should be brought into the public sectir.
But no Government does that. It's too costly and long term and people don't want to pay more in tax.Stop planning on the basis that immigration will solve the problem and have a strategy to “grow our own”. Nobody is dumb enough to think it can be done overnight.
I fear some are. Or, if not dumb, manipulative enough.Stop planning on the basis that immigration will solve the problem and have a strategy to “grow our own”. Nobody is dumb enough to think it can be done overnight.
Given what's going on with junior doctors I'm not sure it's a very attractive career path.
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