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MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,411
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
So you think shared ownership isn't a thing that already exists?
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Not on the scale and for the purpose you suggest. I worked away for a year and rented a flat during the week. S9meone owned that flat and made money out of it. I was happy to pay for it. How on earth could I have entered in t9 a 12 month shared ownership scheme?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,412
MalcSB said:
Not on the scale and for the purpose you suggest. I worked away for a year and rented a flat during the week. S9meone owned that flat and made money out of it. I was happy to pay for it. How on earth could I have entered in t9 a 12 month shared ownership scheme?
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…and rent/pay a mortgage on your primary home.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,413
Sick Boy said:
They won’t it encourage it but there’s next to no incentive to stop them now that the UK is a third country.
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I thought the UK had paid them quite a lot of money? Oh, hang on. It’s the French, only follow the rules that suit them and pursue their own interests.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,414
MalcSB said:
I thought the UK had paid them quite a lot of money? Oh, hang on. It’s the French, only follow the rules that suit them and pursue their own interests.
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A bit like the British then.
 

Philosoraptor

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,415
France is voting today.

Worrying times all round.

I am wondering if the lurch to the right is more than public sentiment but fuelled by something else.

French elections: How do they work and why are they so significant?

The far right could win parliamentary elections called by President Macron on 30 June and 7 July.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,416
Sick Boy said:
A bit like the British then.
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The British followed EU rules a damn sight closer than the French do.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,417
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Do people need to own more than one home? No.
Do businesses need to own residential property? No.

It's about fairness and ensuring everyone has a chance of the security of owning their own home. Allowing individuals and companies to own huge numbers of properties and in the process price out normal people then that is wrong and needs to change. And the only way to change it is to prevent them from doing so.

In the past you wouldn't have been allowed to own your home because some landed gentry wouldn't let you. You'd have had to rent the land from them to have the right to work it. But we progressed to allow land ownership by more people and thus more people able to have better lives. I'm taking that to its logical conclusion.
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Home ownership isn’t such a big thing in the rest of Europe
 

Sick Boy

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,418
MalcSB said:
The British followed EU rules a damn sight closer than the French do.
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The UK isn’t a member state, so this has nothing to do with EU rules.

The Rwanda scheme was very much Britain picking and choosing which international laws it followed or not.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,419
shmmeee said:
As with EVs your problem is looking at tech that’s the worst it’ll ever be and assuming that’s the best it’ll ever get. First principles getting energy locally without fuel will always be cheaper than getting it with fuel. Solar and batteries will win, because it will be so cheap to put everywhere where it’s needed. Costs are continually beating analyst projections and we haven’t even hit full market scale yet. We keep finding large lithium deposits and will switch away to silicon and graphene or whatever in the future, for every current concern (price range charge speed metal use) there’s already promising alternatives in the pipeline. Nuclear will win once we take it seriously, most of the cost is based around our fears rather than technological limits and again we’re making huge progress anyway in the tech.

The entire process of digging up stuff from the ground, transporting it, then burning it in a complex machine is archaic and full of inefficiencies. Like steam engines or row boats. Whether we get there in time to make a difference to the climate or not, I guarantee that in 50 years time the world is run on clean energy and transport.
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Trouble is, it’s the tech that’s available now. Why not not be an early adopter, be a laggard until all this beautiful new tech comes along.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,420
Sick Boy said:
The UK isn’t a member state, so this has nothing to do with EU rules.

The Rwanda scheme was very much Britain picking and choosing which international laws it followed or not.
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Like the UN considering Rwanda a safe place for UN refugees.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,421
skybluetony176 said:
All different commitments so it’s difficult to give you a definitive answer but basically the biggest polluters are looking to achieve it by 2050 or 2060.

The information is out there, you can educate yourself should you choose instead of listening to the moronic drivel from the right and accepting it as fact.
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Well accepting what China and India state as fact is pretty moronic
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,422
MalcSB said:
Drop in the ocean

Don't worry, Sir Keir will sort it.
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He'll smash the gangs.
That'll do it then.
 
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Ian1779

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,423
MalcSB said:
I thought the UK had paid them quite a lot of money? Oh, hang on. It’s the French, only follow the rules that suit them and pursue their own interests.
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Why won’t those people we told to ‘fuck off’ help us now? They must be selfish
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,424
MalcSB said:
Trouble is, it’s the tech that’s available now. Why not not be an early adopter, be a laggard until all this beautiful new tech comes along.
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As a country? You could do and I’d say solar and wind are well past early adopter stage. But you lose early mover advantage. Look at SK nuclear or Taiwan semiconductors or China and EVs now. We are wind capital of the world, might as well lean into our natural strengths. We produced some of the first nuclear power stations, we should be an engineering powerhouse.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,425


FFS Duncan Smith stays because Ego McEgoface can’t take not being Labour candidate. Great moves. Top work. No notes.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,426
Ashdown said:
You are utterly obsessed with that ridiculously overused term racist. You always have been. Used in the right context at genuine bigots is fine but some of your ilk use it at anyone who want to discuss migration, positive discrimination , terrorism, population explosion, effects of migration on health services or even health issues ….and many other topics.
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Ever wondered why it's 'overused' with you about...?

I can't help it if you're unable to see nuance, lump people together, show some distinctly unsavoury views.

You on ly ever pop up to spout bollocks about immigration and, worse... are a bloody immigrant yourself and can't see the irony!

Perhaps if you showed a bit of a brain, stopped generalising in bollocks and jumping onto threads with generalised bullshit, then you might not see the word racist so much. You're the bloody obsessed little Englander!

Discuss migration properly and I'll discuss it. Alas you don't. I very politely pulled apart your bizarre conflation of student visas with everything else, but of course you'll continue to plough on with the same empty rhetoric whatever somebody says.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,427
Ian1779 said:
Why won’t those people we told to ‘fuck off’ help us now? They must be selfish
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They should have told us to fuck off instead of taking the fucking money and doing fuck all, the fuckers.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,428
skybluetony176 said:
Hardly. We all have a carbon footprint by simply being alive. Do literally anything you do to remain alive and you’re a hypocrite if you want to be pedantic about it. The issue is we’re out of balance. I don’t eat meat and consume barely any dairy as I still eat the odd chocolate bar. Don’t recall the exact figures but I can pretty much fly to Spain and back 2-3 times an year and still personally have a carbon footprint smaller than a meat eater who doesn’t have foreign holidays. Specifically on flights commercial passenger flights equate to less than half of co2 emissions caused by aircraft. When you start looking at that from co2 per mile per passenger your personal co2 per mile is even lower again. I think when you work out long distance travel only going by train is greener so long as you’re taking commercial and not private flights. If we green our energy, alter our diets and promote carbon sequestration by reforesting no one will have to feel guilty about flying as the balance will be restored.
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I’m so disappointed that you are not leading and setting an example by doing the maximum you could.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,429
Deleted member 5849 said:
Ever wondered why it's 'overused' with you about...?

I can't help it if you're unable to see nuance, lump people together, show some distinctly unsavoury views.

You on ly ever pop up to spout bollocks about immigration and, worse... are a bloody immigrant yourself and can't see the irony!

Perhaps if you showed a bit of a brain, stopped generalising in bollocks and jumping onto threads with generalised bullshit, then you might not see the word racist so much. You're the bloody obsessed little Englander!

Discuss migration properly and I'll discuss it. Alas you don't.
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Your usual nasty response , hysterical!
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 30, 2024
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Ashdown said:
Your usual nasty response , hysterical!
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You're a nasty piece of work, always have been. Beyond you to ask why you get the responses you do, isn't it.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,431
shmmeee said:
As a country? You could do and I’d say solar and wind are well past early adopter stage. But you lose early mover advantage. Look at SK nuclear or Taiwan semiconductors or China and EVs now. We are wind capital of the world, might as well lean into our natural strengths. We produced some of the first nuclear power stations, we should be an engineering powerhouse.
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I well remember in the late 80s Sheffield having signs as you entered it declaring itself to be a nuclear free zone. Labour controlled council IIRC - there has been a lot of Labour opposition to nuclear power over the years.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,432
MalcSB said:
I well remember in the late 80s Sheffield having signs as you entered it declaring itself to be a nuclear free zone. Labour controlled council IIRC - there has been a lot of Labour opposition to nuclear power over the years.
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10 New one's in ten years wasn't it?
 

torchomatic

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,433
PVA said:
Oh dear, what are they like


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Tories gotta Tory. The indoctrination starts early.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,434
shmmeee said:
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FFS Duncan Smith stays because Ego McEgoface can’t take not being Labour candidate. Great moves. Top work. No notes.
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Starmer should be so popular that it doesn't matter who else is standing as an independent.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,435
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Starmer should be so popular that it doesn't matter who else is standing as an independent.
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Have we gone from 'anyone could beat the Tories'

to 'any other leader would be 20 points ahead'

to 'Starmer should really win every single seat'
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,436
shmmeee said:
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FFS Duncan Smith stays because Ego McEgoface can’t take not being Labour candidate. Great moves. Top work. No notes.
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FFS Duncan Smith stays because Keith ‘honest as the day is long’ Starmer dislodged a perfectly good candidate that the local party wanted. Top work. No notes
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,437
PVA said:
Have we gone from 'anyone could beat the Tories'

to 'any other leader would be 20 points ahead'

to 'Starmer should really win every single seat'
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Or perhaps booting people out for liking tweets from a decade ago is stupid.
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,438
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Or perhaps booting people out for liking tweets from a decade ago is stupid.
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To save the inevitable comeback from the Starmerista’s - their guy has endorsed Luke Akehurst, there is no moral high ground for him to take.
 

rob9872

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,439
skybluetony176 said:
Hardly. We all have a carbon footprint by simply being alive. Do literally anything you do to remain alive and you’re a hypocrite if you want to be pedantic about it. The issue is we’re out of balance. I don’t eat meat and consume barely any dairy as I still eat the odd chocolate bar. Don’t recall the exact figures but I can pretty much fly to Spain and back 2-3 times an year and still personally have a carbon footprint smaller than a meat eater who doesn’t have foreign holidays. Specifically on flights commercial passenger flights equate to less than half of co2 emissions caused by aircraft. When you start looking at that from co2 per mile per passenger your personal co2 per mile is even lower again. I think when you work out long distance travel only going by train is greener so long as you’re taking commercial and not private flights. If we green our energy, alter our diets and promote carbon sequestration by reforesting no one will have to feel guilty about flying as the balance will be restored.
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You can't have it both ways and say every bit counts and then 'oh it's ok because I don't eat meat'. Complete hypocrisy.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,440
rob9872 said:
You can't have it both ways and say every bit counts and then 'oh it's ok because I don't eat meat'. Complete hypocrisy.
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I’ll be sure to stop breathing out. I wouldn’t want to be accused of being a hypocrite.

I actually said it was about balance. That means that you can have it both ways.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,441
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Starmer should be so popular that it doesn't matter who else is standing as an independent.
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I thought you wanted him to be less centrist?
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,442
skybluetony176 said:
I’ll be sure to stop breathing out. I wouldn’t want to be accused of being a hypocrite.

I actually said it was about balance. That means that you can have it both ways.
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I promise not to fly to Spain every week but I will keep my ICE car and gas boiler.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,443
My gas usage is negligible at the minute has been all year, deffo winning this one!
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,444
wingy said:
My gas usage is negligible at the minute has been all year, deffo winning this one!
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I turned my thermostat down to 18 C a few weeks ago,
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 1, 2024
  • #39,445
CCFCSteve said:
Macrons just called a snap election . Must be catching

Macron calls snap French election and Belgian PM to resign after disastrous poll results

Across Europe, the far and populist right made notable gains in the European Parliament elections raising questions over what the political future of the continent looked like.
news.sky.com
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Going well so far

French election results: Macron 'practically wiped out' by National Rally, Marine Le Pen declares

Marine Le Pen declared her party had “practically wiped out” Emmanuel Macron after winning the first round of voting in the French election.
www.telegraph.co.uk
 
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