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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,341
skybluetony176 said:
Apparently the Sunday Times has endorsed Labour today. So either the Sunday Times has turned into a socialist rag or Labour under Starmer really isn’t that socialists after all.
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No that just proves that unlike Farage and tice and lowe and other privately educated rich boys that it’s labour that are the establishment and not reform
Ffs
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,342
MalcSB said:
Don’t be so fucking ridiculous. The UK isn’t a kleptocracy or run by a psychopathic megalomaniac with rigged elections,

Not yet, anyway.
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I have no time for Starmer and have had no intention of voting for him, but seeing how much he noises you up has done more to make me consider changing my mind than Labours whole election campaign!
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,343
And we still aren’t talking about what fundamentally matters

womens only spaces??
Immigration?

What about cost of living
Housing and homelessness
Investment in society
Education

staples of our society
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,344
Sky Blue Pete said:
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Day 17: Welfare​


Click here to listen to an audio recording of this reflection.​
Luke 3.10-14

'Whoever has two coats must share with anyone who has none; and whoever has food must do likewise.’
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Some of us are fortunate enough never to have been in serious need. For others, not having enough is a daily reality.

The reasons why people find themselves in debt or poverty, or simply struggling to make ends meet, are complicated and varied. People who experience homelessness at some point in their lives speak of the sudden, unexpected and devastating tipping-point which landed them where they are now.

Those of us who are privileged to be financially secure, at least for now, are lured into believing the ‘myth of scarcity’. This tells us that we must hold onto everything we have, for fear that tomorrow we won’t have enough. But there is a difference between managing what we have wisely and living selfishly.

As we pray today for a just and fair society, let’s pray, too, that we may we let go of our fears and commit to living generously.​
Heal the sick in body and mind,
and provide for the homeless,
the hungry and the destitute.
Hear us, good Lord.
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If there was a God worth praying to, there wouldn’t be war and pestilence, suffering and poverty.
The usual counter is God gave us free will. All I can say is that was a fucking stupid thing to give by a supposedly omniscient being.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,345
Sky Blue Pete said:
Express thinks it will and telegraph and times and mail and sun lol and the tories and reform all think starmer is socialism on acid
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I am sure some of the hard right were calling Sunak socialist.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,346
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Then it really would be abused
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People can be sacked within the first 2 years of employment for pretty much any reason you like.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,347
MalcSB said:
If there was a God worth praying to, there wouldn’t be war and pestilence, suffering and poverty.
The usual counter is God gave us free will. All I can say is that was a fucking stupid thing to give by a supposedly omniscient being.
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Depends what one considers the point of prayer. I don’t think god intervenes at all
It’s more aligning ourselves to what matters and making it so by our actions
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,348
PVA said:
People can be sacked within the first 2 years of employment for pretty much any reason you like.
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And that needs to change.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,349
clint van damme said:
I have no time for Starmer and have had no intention of voting for him, but seeing how much he noises you up has done more to make me consider changing my mind than Labours whole election campaign!
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Agent MalcSB
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,350
Sky Blue Pete said:
Depends what one considers the point of prayer. I don’t think god intervenes at all
It’s more aligning ourselves to what matters and making it so by our actions
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Neat reply.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,351
Sky Blue Pete said:
And we still aren’t talking about what fundamentally matters

womens only spaces??
Immigration?

What about cost of living
Housing and homelessness
Investment in society
Education

staples of our society
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Agree although I would add

Plan for climate change
Being honest about need to increase taxes and improve public services
Being honest about Brexit and the need for a plan to address the negative effects
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,352
Deleted member 9744 said:
Agree although I would add

Plan for climate change
Being honest about need to increase taxes and improve public services
Being honest about Brexit and the need for a plan to address the negative effects
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Me too
 

Sick Boy

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,353
PVA said:
People can be sacked within the first 2 years of employment for pretty much any reason you like.
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Correct. The probationary period also offers the worker a way out if the employer has lied and bullshitted during the interview process. I gladly used it myself once to get away from a company.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,354
Brighton Sky Blue said:
And that needs to change.
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It doesn’t - why would companies randomly want to sack people? It doesn’t actually happen very often.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,355
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Then it really would be abused
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The alternative that you’re suggesting then gets abused by the employee. Italy works in much the same way and you end up with people being paid for doing next to no work and who are also clearly incompetent but sacking them is next to impossible.

Someone I was managing was doing no work and was going off and ‘working’ from abroad when they shouldn’t have been. Even then the company wasn’t able to sack them.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,356
Sky Blue Pete said:
And we still aren’t talking about what fundamentally matters

womens only spaces??
Immigration?

What about cost of living
Housing and homelessness
Investment in society
Education

staples of our society
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It must be difficult for them to talk about women’s only spaces when they are not clear what a woman is.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,357
Deleted member 9744 said:
Agree although I would add

Plan for climate change
Being honest about need to increase taxes and improve public services
Being honest about Brexit and the need for a plan to address the negative effects
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Climate change - go speak to USA, China and India. Nothing UK does will have any impact if they carry on their merry way.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,358
MalcSB said:
It must be difficult for them to talk about women’s only spaces when they are not clear what a woman is.
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They are clear
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,359
MalcSB said:
Climate change - go speak to USA, China and India. Nothing UK does will have any impact if they carry on their merry way.
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We are or used to be a world leader that people looked to for inspiration
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,360
Sky Blue Pete said:
We are or used to be a world leader that people looked to for inspiration
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The US and China have never looked at us for inspiration
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,361
Sky Blue Pete said:
They are clear
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Oh, has Sir Keir changed his position on that? It’s just it’s so hard to keep up with his flip flopping.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,362
skybluetony176 said:
Apparently the Sunday Times has endorsed Labour today. So either the Sunday Times has turned into a socialist rag or Labour under Starmer really isn’t that socialists after all.
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Also ran a bit of an expose of the Warwick uni tory association, they've definitely gone 'woke'!
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,363
Sky Blue Pete said:
We are or used to be a world leader that people looked to for inspiration
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Thats not our position in the world, and nor should it be, We will be led a not so merry but hugely expensive dance toward net zero wilts the US, China and India continue to burn fossil fuels and develop their industries at the expense of ours.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,364
MalcSB said:
Climate change - go speak to USA, China and India. Nothing UK does will have any impact if they carry on their merry way.
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Deep thinker aren't you? Just dismiss the biggest challenge we face with a superficial statement that isn't even true.

Whether you like it or not climate change is happening and it will have a massive impact on us all and our economy. We can just do what we did with the pandemic and not have a plan and take the hit or we can start preparing now. Unfortunately our politicians only think short term so the chances of them developing a plan are low it seems.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,365
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Then it really would be abused
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How do you square the circle? A company should be able to fire someone surely?
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,366
Brighton Sky Blue said:
‘I’m alright Jack’ thinking then.
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It's the Tory way.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,367
Deleted member 9744 said:
Deep thinker aren't you? Just dismiss the biggest challenge we face with a superficial statement that isn't even true.

Whether you like it or not climate change is happening and it will have a massive impact on us all and our economy. We can just do what we did with the pandemic and not have a plan and take the hit or we can start preparing now. Unfortunately our politicians only think short term so the chances of them developing a plan are low it seems.
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Yeah but what if we get cheap, resilient energy and clean air and water and restore biospheres for nothing?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,368
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Surely you can write a law saying companies and organisations cannot own residential property and humans can only own one.

I've said it before and will say it again, housing needs to be seen as a place to live, not a thing to make money.
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You really sound like some 18 year old Marxist. Thank fuck people like you are on the fringes of opinion
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,369
shmmeee said:
Yeah but what if we get cheap, resilient energy and clean air and water and restore biospheres for nothing?
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Huge IF.
Alternatively what if we get expensive vulnerable energy and our climate continues to be affected by US, China And India continuing to burn fossil fuels as they make our consumer goods for us?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,370
MalcSB said:
Fuck off. I don’t want to be governed by a megalomaniac who invades other countries to give his people something other than domestic issues to worry about.
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That’s why we need checks and balances such as the ECHR. You take the checks and balances away it’s the start of sleepwalking into being governed by megalomaniacs.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,371
Deleted member 9744 said:
Deep thinker aren't you? Just dismiss the biggest challenge we face with a superficial statement that isn't even true.

Whether you like it or not climate change is happening and it will have a massive impact on us all and our economy. We can just do what we did with the pandemic and not have a plan and take the hit or we can start preparing now. Unfortunately our politicians only think short term so the chances of them developing a plan are low it seems.
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Just what impact will UK hitting net zero have. Reduce global CO2 by 1%. Probably less if some of that net zero is achieved by a significant amount of our manufacturing continuing to be outsourced to China.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,372
MalcSB said:
The probationary period is not about their age, it’s about being new in a job.

Also interesting that you consider an 18 year old not to be a full adult. Labour will give the vote to children. Laughable.
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You missed the point. It was about deciding rights on an arbitrary marker.

An 18yo is an adult You don't say they are new as an adult so can only have a fraction of the rights for a few years until they've proved worthy of them.

If you're a new employee, you're still an employee and so should therefore have the same rights as every other employee.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,373
MalcSB said:
Climate change - go speak to USA, China and India. Nothing UK does will have any impact if they carry on their merry way.
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Or we could lead and change opinions/show the benefits so others follow.

Or we could just give up because other bigger polluters currently aren't bothering.

Why do you have so little belief in our country and doing it down?
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,374
MalcSB said:
Thats not our position in the world, and nor should it be, We will be led a not so merry but hugely expensive dance toward net zero wilts the US, China and India continue to burn fossil fuels and develop their industries at the expense of ours.
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Have you seen any of the romesh travels? There’s a sense in doing it for our own well being as the worlds
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 30, 2024
  • #39,375
MalcSB said:
Just what impact will UK Notting net zero have. Reduce global CO2 by 1%. Probably less if some of that net zero is achieved by a significant amount of our manufacturing continuing to be outsourced to China.
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But the UK is not doing it in isolation. There’s other 100 countries aiming to hit net zero in a little over a decade. It’s part of something much bigger.
 
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