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Do you want to discuss boring politics? (12 Viewers)

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clint van damme

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  • Jun 25, 2024
  • #38,886
oakey said:
I heard Wes Streeting speaking to an activist last week. He assured her he knows fixing social care is the key to improving the nhs. Promised her they have plans which they know will work as they've been tried and tested in other places. He is quite impressive in person.
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Are these plans free because he's made it clear theres very little to spend.
 
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wingy

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  • Jun 25, 2024
  • #38,887
MalcSB said:
Right to buy wasn’t great was it? Unless you are like Angela Rayner and exercised that right.
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Yes my dad took the option, alas didn't live long enough to benefit from it.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jun 25, 2024
  • #38,888
rob9872 said:
I am W&L but we've been Labour in 20 of past 27 years and if Matt Western won last time in spite of a strong Conservative win, then I'd have thought him safe this time.

Monster Raving Loony it is for me now
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He only won by 700 votes last time. My lad is voting for the first time. It'll be for Matt.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jun 25, 2024
  • #38,889
oakey said:
Halesowen
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I lived there for a year in the mid 90s.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 25, 2024
  • #38,890
torchomatic said:
I lived there for a year in the mid 90s.
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Condolences,
 
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oakey

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  • Jun 25, 2024
  • #38,891
MalcSB said:
Condolences,
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Some of you live in Nuneaton
 
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oscillatewildly

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  • Jun 25, 2024
  • #38,892
torchomatic said:
I lived there for a year in the mid 90s.
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I'll give it nineteen ninety foive?
 
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Kneeza

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  • Jun 25, 2024
  • #38,893
oscillatewildly said:
I'll give it nineteen ninety foive?
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Shurrup Janice.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

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  • Jun 25, 2024
  • #38,894
torchomatic said:
He only won by 700 votes last time. My lad is voting for the first time. It'll be for Matt.
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Definitely didn't pressure him at all.
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,895
MalcSB said:
The problem is that modern safety requirements have driven the increase in size, added to which bigger batteries are needed to give satisfactory range.
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I've just seen that the new BMW M5 weighs 2400kg. That is 1000kg more than the Original? It is obscene!
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,896
MalcSB said:
Right to buy wasn’t great was it? Unless you are like Angela Rayner and exercised that right.
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The problem with RtB isn’t people using it. Politicians don’t have to live by the rules they want to introduce, that’s silly. You’ll be asking everyone to pay uni fees they introduced or retrospectively prosecute people for smoking under 18 next.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,897
Nuskyblue said:
I've just seen that the new BMW M5 weighs 2400kg. That is 1000kg more than the Original? It is obscene!
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At what point does it count as a heavy goods vehicle?
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,898
shmmeee said:
At what point does it count as a heavy goods vehicle?
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No idea but that car is 1000kg closer to the limit
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,899
shmmeee said:
At what point does it count as a heavy goods vehicle?
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3500kgs is the max you can drive on a modern car license. So a van. If you passed your test before a certain date you have grandfather rights and can drive upto 7500kgs. Smallest unarticulated lorry.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,900
shmmeee said:
The problem with RtB isn’t people using it. Politicians don’t have to live by the rules they want to introduce, that’s silly. You’ll be asking everyone to pay uni fees they introduced or retrospectively prosecute people for smoking under 18 next.
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Odd to think that you will be able to get prosecuted for smoking outside the polling station, after cast your vote having nipped out from school at 16.
 

Kneeza

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,901
Nuskyblue said:
I've just seen that the new BMW M5 weighs 2400kg. That is 1000kg more than the Original? It is obscene!
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I had, until recently, a motorhome based on a Fiat Ducato van chassis. It was fully equipped with everything you'd need to live off-grid for a long time (and we did, frequently) and came in at under 3000kg.
Which makes a 2.4t car utterly ridiculous. IMO.
 

Nuskyblue

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,902
Kneeza said:
I had, until recently, a motorhome based on a Fiat Ducato van chassis. It was fully equipped with everything you'd need to live off-grid for a long time (and we did, frequently) and came in at under 3000kg.
Which makes a 2.4t car utterly ridiculous. IMO.
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It's wild.

They've crowbarred a hybrid system in 18kW battery pack and another motor. All to make it everso slightly slower than the model it replaced.

Shedding weight would have been better for performance on every metric and better for the environment!
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,903
Nuskyblue said:
It's wild.

They've crowbarred a hybrid system in 18kW battery pack and another motor. All to make it everso slightly slower than the model it replaced.

Shedding weight would have been better for performance on every metric and better for the environment!
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Hybrids are just a mental idea. You end up with the worst of both worlds TBH.

I wonder if some weight based road tax would push the trend for bigger cars in the other direction.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,904

Day 13: Defence​

Click here to listen to an audio recording of this reflection.​
Isaiah 2.1-4

'… nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
neither shall they learn war any more.’
The first duty of government is to defend its people. Looking at the number and scale of conflicts in our world today, defence is a necessity, not a luxury. The world is complicated, and violence often becomes the recourse of the fearful.

Christians have long debated the ethics of defence and warfare – when it is (or isn’t) justifiable to use violence in pursuit of a just cause. Such debates will always continue, as these life and death questions are not simple, so we should not expect simple answers.

The Bible contains many accounts of war and conflict. But, as in today’s reading, its vision leads towards reconciliation, peace and an end to violence. Christians believe that death, violence and destruction do not have the final word in this world. We are not driven by fear but drawn by hope – a hope born of resurrection.

Today, as we reflect on the issue of defence, let us pray for those tasked with making decisions in this area and for the women and men of the armed forces who carry them out.
​
We commend to your gracious keeping
all who serve in the armed forces.
Keep alive in them and in us your vision of peace.
Hear us, good Lord.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,905
clint van damme said:
Are these plans free because he's made it clear theres very little to spend.
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We all know there’s more tax coming, they just don’t want to disclose how much and from what yet.

If inflation continues to remain under control and there’s a bit of a post election bounce filtering through to a bit more growth and maybe lower bond yields (reducing borrowing costs) that might also free up a decent chunk of cash

Said before social care and affordable child care solutions are the key to at least improving a fair few of our issues
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,906
shmmeee said:
Hybrids are just a mental idea. You end up with the worst of both worlds TBH.

I wonder if some weight based road tax would push the trend for bigger cars in the other direction.
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How on earth do you work that out? You have the benefits of a normal combustion engine, no worries about charge points on long trips and massive BIK benefits.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,907
shmmeee said:
Hybrids are just a mental idea. You end up with the worst of both worlds TBH.

I wonder if some weight based road tax would push the trend for bigger cars in the other direction.
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That would put a further dent in EV sales.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,908
CCFCSteve said:
We all know there’s more tax coming, they just don’t want to disclose how much and from what yet.
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I.E. they don’t want to be honest. If they were up front and still won the election, at least they could legitimately say they had a mandate for whatever tax shenanigans they have up their sleeves- presumably most of what they are refusing to rule out.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,909
shmmeee said:
I think you’ve got an outdated view TBH.

Electric cars depreciate less than petrol for a start: Electric car depreciation: do they hold their value?

There’s a small insurance premium but that’s outweighed by fuel and maintenance costs. Why is electric car insurance so expensive? EV vs ICE cost analysis | Auto Express

Everyone I know who drives electric loves it TBH.
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I’m sure you must have shares in Tesla - there are hundreds of articles like this. I was talking to someone I know in a premium luxury brand and they are dreading customers on PCP coming in to be told their cars are on collosal negative equity.

Electric vehicle residual values fall stretches back 21 months

The cumulative decrease in used battery electric vehicle values amounts to approximately 57%, compared to petrol, with a decline of around 12%.
www.fleetnews.co.uk
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,910
MalcSB said:
I.E. they don’t want to be honest. If they were up front and still won the election, at least they could legitimately say they had a mandate for whatever tax shenanigans they have up their sleeves- presumably most of what they are refusing to rule out.
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There’s a bit of that. I also believe there is an element of wanting to see what might happen in 2-3 months post election (maybe even next 12 months) before making any final calls. If that is the case, I can’t really argue with that.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,911
MalcSB said:
That would put a further dent in EV sales.
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EV is happening regardless
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,912
CCFCSteve said:
There’s a bit of that. I also believe there is an element of wanting to see what might happen in 2-3 months post election (maybe even next 12 months) before making any final calls. If that is the case, I can’t really argue with that.
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I think they’ve pledged in their manifesto to only do one major fiscal budget in any 12 month period. So expect one when they get in inline with their manifesto and then nothing for 12 months. Who knows what the picture will be in 12 months. If they can do something to grow the economy money might be available so tax rises aren’t needed to implement their manifesto.

The other point people need to accept is it’s hardly an exciting manifesto, they’ve got lower spending commitments than pretty much anyone else and as one famously Tory leaning right wing publication pointed out, the Tories have a bigger black hole in their finances and using the same metrics that the Tories used to claim that Labour will put tax up by 2 grand over the course of the next parliament the Tories will put it up 3 grand. The moral of the story being vote Labour and get a 1 grand discount against another Tory parliament.
 

MalcSB

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,913
shmmeee said:
EV is happening regardless
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It will be interesting to see how sales go as the deadline is approached.

The irony is that there will probably be a lot of relatively cheap Chinese EVs bought, all produced in the top CO2 producing country in the world at 30 times UK.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,914
It is beyond tedious hearing this debate centered around the nonsensical household budget analogy, and the new sheriff "government spending automatically causes inflation".
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,915
skybluetony176 said:
The moral of the story being vote Labour and get a 1 grand discount against another Tory parliament.
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The lowest of bars
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,916
Grendel said:
How on earth do you work that out? You have the benefits of a normal combustion engine, no worries about charge points on long trips and massive BIK benefits.
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Because you’re combining the fossil fuel consumption of one with the chemical waste of another.
 

SIR ERNIE

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,917
MalcSB said:
It will be interesting to see how sales go as the deadline is approached.

The irony is that there will probably be a lot of relatively cheap Chinese EVs bought, all produced in the top CO2 producing country in the world at 30 times UK.
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Don't worry, those brave Just Stop Oil loons will be over there soon, spraying the Great Wall of China orange. That'll make the CCP change their ways.
 
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fatso

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,918
MalcSB said:
Right to buy wasn’t great was it? Unless you are like Angela Rayner and exercised that right.
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Tbf its never going to be great unless you exercise the right.

That's the whole point.
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,919
shmmeee said:
Hybrids are just a mental idea. You end up with the worst of both worlds TBH.

I wonder if some weight based road tax would push the trend for bigger cars in the other direction.
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Weight/size with value factored in. Hit it hard IMO.
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 26, 2024
  • #38,920
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Because you’re combining the fossil fuel consumption of one with the chemical waste of another.
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No - he said it’s the worst of both worlds - for a buyer like me it’s the best.
 
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