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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,816
Grendel said:
The point is they are the voice into parliament which runs the country so clearly a 6 figure salary with benefits and fixed salaries to employ staff office space etc

Obviously yes with Sultana as she is in the job. I’ve said before face to face she and Robinson’s replacement are pleasant and earnest enough but she needs to get away from this utter Corbynist nonsense

The more you pay people the irony is the less inherent wealth people will be elected as you’d get people from top business jobs who otherwise will not take a pay cut and live away from home for weeks on end
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I have no problem with leaders being paid a high wage and agree with Grendel on this. I also think staff in the nhs deserve a pay rise that keeps their salary in line with inflation and worry that there are 400 vacancies which is 20% of the overall staffing of university hospital coventry. And can’t help thinking they may be linked
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,817
We shouldn’t be having council leaders being paid far more than the PM. Makes no sense. I’d have no issue with a PM getting £200k-£300k
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,818
Nah they’ll do just like you Priti

BBC's reputation highly damaged by Diana interview report, says Patel

The report into the Diana interview is a "significant moment" for the corporation, home secretary says.
www.bbc.co.uk
 

shmmeee

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,819
CCFCSteve said:
We shouldn’t be having council leaders being paid far more than the PM. Makes no sense. I’d have no issue with a PM getting £200k-£300k
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No council leaders are paid more than the PM. You’re thinking of Chief Execs, who are civil servants and lots of civil servants earn more than the PM.

I think Grendel is getting confused because the PM isn’t our Head of State, all the benefits other Heads of State get go to the Queen.

If you want the PM to get gold toilets and butlers, you’re arguing for a republic.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,820
CCFCSteve said:
We shouldn’t be having council leaders being paid far more than the PM. Makes no sense. I’d have no issue with a PM getting £200k-£300k
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When you look at Andy Street it’s so obvious he has been at the top of a private enterprise. Compare that to political career politicians who’ve occupied London and yes that includes Johnson
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,821
Sky Blue Pete said:
I have no problem with leaders being paid a high wage and agree with Grendel on this. I also think staff in the nhs deserve a pay rise that keeps their salary in line with inflation and worry that there are 400 vacancies which is 20% of the overall staffing of university hospital coventry. And can’t help thinking they may be linked
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Agree with this Pete. If there’s huge numbers of vacancies in any sector/employer it either suggests there either isn’t the staff available or the wages aren’t enough. I think with nurses it’s the latter. Pretty much the whole country would support a decent rise for front line health workers, the government needs to pull their fingers out
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,822
shmmeee said:
No council leaders are paid more than the PM. You’re thinking of Chief Execs, who are civil servants and lots of civil servants earn more than the PM.

I think Grendel is getting confused because the PM isn’t our Head of State, all the benefits other Heads of State get go to the Queen.
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Sorry, yeah, meant the chief execs

Ps points the same though, you can’t have them paid more than PM
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,823
CCFCSteve said:
Agree with this Pete. If there’s huge numbers of vacancies in any sector/employer it either suggests there either isn’t the staff available or the wages aren’t enough. I think with nurses it’s the latter. Pretty much the whole country would support a decent rise for front line health workers, the government needs to pull their fingers out
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Not if everyone supports their current actions
 

shmmeee

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,824
CCFCSteve said:
Sorry, yeah, meant the chief execs
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Personally considering they tend to do the actual running of services and councillors/MPs do a lot of pontificating and PR I’m happy with that.

A decent software developer can earn more than the PM, being PM shouldn’t be the best paid job in the country, I don’t think anyone would argue that. And we should be able to hire the best to work for their country so inevitably they won’t be the highest paid government employee.

That said, I think the expenses stuff is overblown on both sides and like a lot of bigotry accusations is just naked politicking. As I said before, spending £40k on IT during a pandemic is fine, ditto if we have to buy Deliveroo for a meeting. It’s the duck houses and shit people had a problem with, not basic functions of work.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,825
Grendel said:
Political jingoism - people at the top in general - not all - are talented and deserve what they get
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Nonsense. Many of them are at the top because they were born unto privilege. You can't really think this Government is talented???
 

Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,826
Deleted member 9744 said:
Nonsense. Many of them are at the top because they were born unto privilege. You can't really think this Government is talented???
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I’m talking about private enterprise and paying more to get talented MPs - you’ve echoed my point
 
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wingy

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,827
Sky Blue Pete said:
I have no problem with leaders being paid a high wage and agree with Grendel on this. I also think staff in the nhs deserve a pay rise that keeps their salary in line with inflation and worry that there are 400 vacancies which is 20% of the overall staffing of university hospital coventry. And can’t help thinking they may be linked
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That and I think coupled to the dearth available to come in from Europe.
Now being resolved by recruitment from the sub continent.
Alas we again poach trained up staff from other nations , depleting their own services .
Really should have learned by now .
Invest in our own .
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,828
Grendel said:
I’m talking about private enterprise and paying more to get talented MPs - you’ve echoed my point
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Actually I do agree with you that MPs are underpaid.
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,829
Deleted member 9744 said:
Actually I do agree with you that MPs are underpaid.
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I disagree with you thought that most of the current Government are talented
 

stupot07

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,830
Wow. Johnson missed 5 cobra meetings at the start of the pandemic because he was writing a book about Shakespeare to fund his divorce. If this is true, then he let thousands die just to make a few quid. The prime fucking minister.


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Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,831
stupot07 said:
Wow. Johnson missed 5 cobra meetings at the start of the pandemic because he was writing a book about Shakespeare to fund his divorce. The prime fucking minister.


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He said she said he said no evidence
 
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stupot07

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,832
Get tough on crime, but if you're in Cabinet you can do what the fuck you like


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Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,833
Lol it’s Femi
 
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Evo1883

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,834
Grendel said:
Lol it’s Femi
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Please donate grendel so he doesn't starve , he lives off donations .
Proper grafter

Man of the people

The left wing Tommy Robinson
 
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Evo1883

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,835
Half of the people on here don't need to work .

Getting donations to "hold the government to account " seems a great way of making a living .

Get on twitter lads and push that shit, there's seemingly lots of plonkers on all sides willing to give out their cash so dickheads like Tommy, hopkins , Owen jones and femi can make a living for doing fuck all
 

Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,836
Evo1883 said:
Please donate grendel so he doesn't starve , he lives off donations .
Proper grafter

Man of the people

The left wing Tommy Robinson
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He’s had he’s whole existence living off Eu funding - i feel his pain
 

Evo1883

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,837
These people essentially make money from moaning .

Brilliant
 

Ian1779

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,838
Evo1883 said:
These people essentially make money from moaning .

Brilliant
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It’s endemic across the written press too to be fair. Misery makes money sadly.
 

Evo1883

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,839
Ian1779 said:
It’s endemic across the written press too to be fair. Misery makes money sadly.
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On another note , I agree with you lot about the spending of public money on takeaways .

I get annoyed by some of the ludicrous expenses afforded to MPs
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,840
Grendel said:
You know full well in terms of political state comparisons it’s the PM - Biden wouldn’t call the Queen he calls Johnson

Randomly you seem to be saying he should be paid loads more and live in the palace and enjoy the trappings of a monarch in a republican state
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Do you accept that the Queen is our head of state?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,841
dubed said:
In what way?
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Well known he has overstepped the mark in terms of interfering with political matters
 

Ian1779

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,842
Evo1883 said:
On another note , I agree with you lot about the spending of public money on takeaways .

I get annoyed by some of the ludicrous expenses afforded to MPs
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Maybe a solution was an MP got a flat salary and they had to pay for all their expenditure from it. Might make them think twice about some of the absurdities we have seen.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,843
Grendel said:
nonsense the Queen always will obey the government of the day as the day she doesn’t is the day the monarchy ends
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So what is her purpose? If it's only to 'open a fete in Hastings' really what is the point?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,844
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So what is her purpose? If it's only to 'open a fete in Hastings' really what is the point?
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Exactly. Complete waste of money
 

Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,845
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do you accept that the Queen is our head of state?
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Again this is childish - put a picture of Biden, merkle and Macron together and ask for the U.K. equivalent - how many would say the Prime Minister.

Also I assume you blame the Queen for sending the military to Iraq and not Mr Blair and Mr Campbell.

I assume you believe Blair and Campbell are entirely innocent and the bloodthirsty Queen should be dragged to The Hague for war crimes?
 
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Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,846
Brighton Sky Blue said:
So what is her purpose? If it's only to 'open a fete in Hastings' really what is the point?
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To save another tier of governance and to act as a benign figure - it’s a unique constitution which is the envy of much of the world
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,847
Grendel said:
Again this is childish - put a picture of Biden, merkle and Macron together and ask for the U.K. equivalent - how many would say the Prime Minister.

Also I assume you blame the Queen for sending the military to Iraq and not Mr Blair and Mr Campbell.

I assume you believe Blair and Campbell are entirely innocent and the bloodthirsty Queen should be dragged to The Hague for war crimes?
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How is it childish it's an objective fact that the Queen is the head of state, an expensive one too, and not the PM.

Why do you carry on making a fool of yourself when you're just wrong?
 

skybluetony176

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,848
dubed said:
There are free food initiatives everywhere under this government, including meal vouchers and butler running. Can't you just use the foodbanks if you're struggling?
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I’m not struggling. I doubt Matt Hancock’s staff are either. Nurses on the other hand...
 
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Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,849
Brighton Sky Blue said:
How is it childish it's an objective fact that the Queen is the head of state, an expensive one too, and not the PM.

Why do you carry on making a fool of yourself when you're just wrong?
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You are ignoring every comment I make and pretty much everyone agrees with me that the PM and politicians are under paid - you once said she’s a grey haired old granny and if she. Any do anything what’s the point

It’s you that’s looking utterly foolish.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,850
Grendel said:
You are ignoring every comment I make and pretty much everyone agrees with me that the PM and politicians are under paid - you once said she’s a grey haired old granny and if she. Any do anything what’s the point

It’s you that’s looking utterly foolish.
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Is she the head of state though?
 
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