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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,781
Grendel said:
He should have a Michelin chef and an advisor - I’m not even joking the U.K. needs to get out of this 1970’s view of its leaders
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David Cameron was fine eating sardines on toast, does boarding at Eton not teach you a few life skills?
 
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PVA

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,782
Grendel said:
The correlation between children starving is emotional guff
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The PM gets 800 quids worth of takeaways delivered every week, doesn't even lay for some of it. Meanwhile refuses to feed starving kids.

Grendel: 'the PM isn't paid enough'

There are many on this board whose views I completely disagree with but I am sure they are decent people. Not Grendel. Genuinely a nasty, bitter old man who is happy to pull up the ladder and see those beneath him struggle, ideally while a toff gets free takeaways for life.
 

SBAndy

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,783
Grendel said:
It’s absurd he has to dodge rules on ordering food. In most western countries he’d have a far far better residence and many are paid a lot more and also have their own private chefs paid for.

It’s symptomatic of a wider issue that the leader of the country is underpaid and undervalued compared to many of his peers
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Oh dear lord, how will he cope on his *checks notes* £160,000 per year salary (plus expenses)?
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,784
SBAndy said:
Oh dear lord, how will he cope on his *checks notes* £160,000 per year salary (plus expenses)?
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You keep notes on the pay rates of Cabinets and MPs?
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,785
Brighton Sky Blue said:
David Cameron was fine eating sardines on toast, does boarding at Eton not teach you a few life skills?
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I suppose repressing feelings and avoiding unwanted nighttime buggery are skills technically.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,786
dubed said:
You keep notes on the pay rates of Cabinets and MPs?
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You’re going to shit yourself when you find out about google.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,787
Grendel said:
It’s absurd he has to dodge rules on ordering food. In most western countries he’d have a far far better residence and many are paid a lot more and also have their own private chefs paid for.

It’s symptomatic of a wider issue that the leader of the country is underpaid and undervalued compared to many of his peers
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Cringe. Politician fanboys are creepy. This is worse than those Corbyn poems.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,788
shmmeee said:
I suppose repressing feelings and avoiding unwanted nighttime buggery are skills technically.
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Are you also suggesting that the Bullingdon Dining Club wasn’t actually about cooking?
 

Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,789
PVA said:
The PM gets 800 quids worth of takeaways delivered every week, doesn't even lay for some of it. Meanwhile refuses to feed starving kids.

Grendel: 'the PM isn't paid enough'

There are many on this board whose views I completely disagree with but I am sure they are decent people. Not Grendel. Genuinely a nasty, bitter old man who is happy to pull up the ladder and see those beneath him struggle, ideally while a toff gets free takeaways for life.
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No I’m pointing out a basic fact that the Prime Minister - who is our head of state - is paid significantly less than his counterparts across the West and many have gyms saunas cinemas and personal chefs as part of the deal

Yesterday you were droning on about India - why don’t the Indian government purchase equipment rather than get it for free

I’m certainly not bitter it’s you that has some Wolfie Smith tub thumping idea of how the world is run. You actually come across as some bloke in his eighties whose “voted Labour all me life”
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,790
Grendel said:
No I’m pointing out a basic fact that the Prime Minister - who is our head of state - is paid significantly less than his counterparts across the West and many have gyms saunas cinemas and personal chefs as part of the deal

Yesterday you were droning on about India - why don’t the Indian government purchase equipment rather than get it for free

I’m certainly not bitter it’s you that has some Wolfie Smith tub thumping idea of how the world is run. You actually come across as some bloke in his eighties whose “voted Labour all me life”
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The Queen is the head of state you utter cretin
 
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PVA

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,791
Grendel said:
No I’m pointing out a basic fact that the Prime Minister - who is our head of state - is paid significantly less than his counterparts across the West and many have gyms saunas cinemas and personal chefs as part of the deal

Yesterday you were droning on about India - why don’t the Indian government purchase equipment rather than get it for free

I’m certainly not bitter it’s you that has some Wolfie Smith tub thumping idea of how the world is run. You actually come across as some bloke in his eighties whose “voted Labour all me life”
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Says it all that you're more concerned that he doesn't get a gym and sauna than about the rampant corruption. Fucking hell.


And I'm 31 and I've voted Labour once in my life.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,792
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The Queen is the head of state you utter cretin
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The Queen is not a decision maker and does not represent the country in any talks with other world leaders - our PM is exactly the same status as Merkle macron and Biden. She is a figurehead the same as all other Eu countries with royalty though it is worth noting I believe that the French PM also is paid more than ours even though it’s a far less important role

Johnson runs the country and if you undervalue the job who limit the talent pool who wants it
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,793
Grendel said:
The Queen is not a decision maker and does not represent the country in any talks with other world leaders - our PM is exactly the same status as Merkle macron and Biden. She is a figurehead the same as all other Eu countries with royalty though it is worth noting I believe that the French PM also is paid more than ours even though it’s a far less important role

Johnson runs the country and if you undervalue the job who limit the talent pool who wants it
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You’re just objectively wrong to say the PM is the head of state when he isn’t. We pay the royal family very well indeed and put them up in fabulous privilege for the ceremonial role they serve. Macron and Biden are elected executive heads of state unlike Johnson
 

Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,794
Brighton Sky Blue said:
You’re just objectively wrong to say the PM is the head of state when he isn’t. We pay the royal family very well indeed and put them up in fabulous privilege for the ceremonial role they serve. Macron and Biden are elected executive heads of state unlike Johnson
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I’m talking in relative terms of responsibility - Johnson has all the powers and responsibility that they have.

His role should be paid a lot more, MPs generally are underpaid

We all know you have a sixth form approach to the monarchy but she isn’t attending g7 summits she’s opening a fete in Hastings
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,795
Hardly surprising that Grendel would take a firm line on takeaways, the guy’s moobs alone must be two of the largest Tory constituencies in the country.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,796
SBT said:
Hardly surprising that Grendel would take a firm line on takeaways, the guy’s moobs alone must be two of the largest Tory constituencies in the country.
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Hows the orgy going?
 
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SBT

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,797
Grendel said:
Hows the orgy going?
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Flattered but not interested pal. Keep the ideas coming though - you’ve got to keep yourself in the game somehow, even if it has to be vicariously through the younger and thinner types like me.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,798
Oh dear the man from the telegraph seems to have lost his sense of humour
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,799
Grendel said:
I’m talking in relative terms of responsibility - Johnson has all the powers and responsibility that they have.

His role should be paid a lot more, MPs generally are underpaid

We all know you have a sixth form approach to the monarchy but she isn’t attending g7 summits she’s opening a fete in Hastings
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When the costs of the monarchy factor in security they require a 9 figure sum to maintain. Bin them off and Boris can have all the Michelin star chefs and Grendel fluffers he can shake a small stick at
 
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Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,800
Brighton Sky Blue said:
When the costs of the monarchy factor in security they require a 9 figure sum to maintain. Bin them off and Boris can have all the Michelin star chefs and Grendel fluffers he can shake a small stick at
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The queens role is entirely unique and as a result most acknowledge she is superb and the best in the world at what she does
 
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SBT

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,801
Grendel said:
Oh dear the man from the telegraph seems to have lost his sense of humour
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Cheer up, I’m sure you can fit in a few dozen more laugh emojis before it’s time for your second breakfast (GRENDEL +4500kcal)
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,802
Grendel said:
The queens role is entirely unique and as a result most acknowledge she is superb and the best in the world at what she does
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She is the head of state though-do you accept being completely wrong on that one?

Anyone can shake hands and eat banquets in a palace. Only a complete and utter fool like Charles could screw it up
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,803
Grendel said:
I’m talking in relative terms of responsibility - Johnson has all the powers and responsibility that they have.

His role should be paid a lot more, MPs generally are underpaid

We all know you have a sixth form approach to the monarchy but she isn’t attending g7 summits she’s opening a fete in Hastings
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G what do you feel is an appropriate salary for an MP aid you consider them underpaid.

Secondly does that mean you believe your favourite MP Zarah Sultana should be paid more?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,804
Grendel said:
I’m talking in relative terms of responsibility - Johnson has all the powers and responsibility that they have.
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They have executive authority to sign off on legislation, he does not. Biden is also commander of the armed forces, again Johnson doesn't have that authority.
 

Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,805
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They have executive authority to sign off on legislation, he does not. Biden is also commander of the armed forces, again Johnson doesn't have that authority.
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nonsense the Queen always will obey the government of the day as the day she doesn’t is the day the monarchy ends
 
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Deleted member 4439

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,806
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Only a complete and utter fool like Charles
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In what way?
 

SBAndy

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,807
Grendel said:
I’m talking in relative terms of responsibility - Johnson has all the powers and responsibility that they have.

His role should be paid a lot more, MPs generally are underpaid

We all know you have a sixth form approach to the monarchy but she isn’t attending g7 summits she’s opening a fete in Hastings
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Heard the argument that they’re underpaid numerous times, and whilst on the face of it it’s correct, because of their expenses claims they actually get far more than their salary (ignoring the top-ups for ministerial positions). £80k per year AFTER all work-related costs (travel, accommodation, food, phones, etc.) ain’t a bad gig at all.

In fact, may have just talked myself into a career change.
 
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Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,808
Brighton Sky Blue said:
She is the head of state though-do you accept being completely wrong on that one?

Anyone can shake hands and eat banquets in a palace. Only a complete and utter fool like Charles could screw it up
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You know full well in terms of political state comparisons it’s the PM - Biden wouldn’t call the Queen he calls Johnson

Randomly you seem to be saying he should be paid loads more and live in the palace and enjoy the trappings of a monarch in a republican state
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,809
Sky Blue Pete said:
Mirror story about money to the very wealthy over the last year makes you weep. We really do need an alternative vision of a more just and fair future
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What on earth is funny about that?
 

Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,810
Sky Blue Pete said:
What on earth is funny about that?
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Political jingoism - people at the top in general - not all - are talented and deserve what they get
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,811
Grendel said:
Political jingoism - people at the top in general - not all - are talented and deserve what they get
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And the reverse is true I suppose. The myth meets the man. Society is doomed through massive haves and have nots
 

SBAndy

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,812
Sky Blue Pete said:
Mirror story about money to the very wealthy over the last year makes you weep. We really do need an alternative vision of a more just and fair future
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Just went looking for this and stumbled upon another gem...

‘Priti Patel says ministers breaking rules not important as they’re doing “difficult jobs, actually”.’
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,813
SBAndy said:
Just went looking for this and stumbled upon another gem...

‘Priti Patel says ministers breaking rules not important as they’re doing “difficult jobs, actually”.’
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Yep just representing a person who’s been dismissed for accessing computer details. Pretty sure if he was more senior or a member of the front bench he’d be told forget about it it will all blow over.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,814
Ccfcisparks said:
G what do you feel is an appropriate salary for an MP aid you consider them underpaid.

Secondly does that mean you believe your favourite MP Zarah Sultana should be paid more?
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@Grendel
 

Grendel

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  • May 23, 2021
  • #3,815
Ccfcisparks said:
@Grendel
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The point is they are the voice into parliament which runs the country so clearly a 6 figure salary with benefits and fixed salaries to employ staff office space etc

Obviously yes with Sultana as she is in the job. I’ve said before face to face she and Robinson’s replacement are pleasant and earnest enough but she needs to get away from this utter Corbynist nonsense

The more you pay people the irony is the less inherent wealth people will be elected as you’d get people from top business jobs who otherwise will not take a pay cut and live away from home for weeks on end
 
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