I’ll take a bet with you now it won’t happen.To the question 'would Corbyn beat these Tories?', he's forecast to lose his seat!
The more a narrative of a landslide is pushed, the less likely it is to happen.I’ll take a bet with you now it won’t happen.
I always find these polls interesting - the Labour victory is not in question, I also think SNP will not drop that low.The more a narrative of a landslide is pushed, the less likely it is to happen.
I’ll take a bet with you now it won’t happen.
I dunno, SNP have lost a charismatic leader and are mired in chaos themselves. You'd think all three national parties would be eyeing Scotland up as an opportunity.I always find these polls interesting - the Labour victory is not in question, I also think SNP will not drop that low.
You said if you are old enough to die for your country, you are old enough to vote. Under 18s need parental permission to sign up to the armed forces. If they can’t be trusted to make that decision, why entrust them with a vote. They can’t be sent to the front line below 18, so your argument is wrong. We don’t trust them at 16 in relation to the armed forces. Wrong again.You sign at 16, you're in until you're 22, and "frontline" at first or not, you're committing to risk your life for your country at a point in the near future. Seems like we're happy to trust them to do that.
As for the 13 year old thing, no one is asking for them to get the vote, the amount of them earning enough to pay tax is miniscule, and of course under-16s are still in full time education.
What's your rationale for not giving them the vote? Are you scared they might vote the wrong way, or is it that some of them might have spots? Talk about rubbish...
I'm sure somebody posted up a video of an elderly woman in Mansfield or somewhere demonstrating that rational thought had long since departed.You said if you are old enough to die for your country, you are old enough to vote. Under 18s need parental permission to sign up to the armed forces. If they can’t be trusted to make that decision, why entrust them with a vote. They can’t be sent to the front line below 18, so your argument is wrong. We don’t trust them at 16 in relation to the armed forces. Wrong again.
Under 18s have to remain in training e.g, apprenticeships. Most if not all at the apprentice Rate will barely exceed the tax threshold maybe paying £1 a month. Only about 25% of 16 year olds are in such schemes. Your qualifification seems to be payment of income tax. Presumably the 75% still in full time education shouldn't get the vote then. What about the unemployed by your logic.
The rational part of a teenagers brain isn't fully developed - yet another reason why 16 year olds should not be entitled to vote.
Duffer by name, Duffer by nature.
Probably wouldn’t be capable of voting in that case.I'm sure somebody posted up a video of an elderly woman in Mansfield or somewhere demonstrating that rational thought had long since departed.
To be fair Starmer has been pretty clear that tough decisions will continue to be made in relation to the poor so that people like Mr Caldwell can continue to amass wealthTory donor John Caudwell tells the BBC he is voting Labour
Phones4U founder John Caudwell gave the Conservatives £500K before the last general election.www.bbc.com
"We can't tax rich people in order to help the poor because they'll go off to Monaco and other places, we have to create real genuine wealth.”
"the loony Left"
You just love to see it.
US lenders caused the 2008 global crash.
Yes, staggering.I reckon about 90% of this thread haven't been outside since 2008.
Honestly, absolutely staggering to read some of this shit. Not reflective of the real whatsoever.
My Dad has no clue where he is or what's going on. On the occasions he does recognise me he thinks I'm his brother, he's never had a bother. He's had his polling card and will be sent his postal vote form.The rational part of a teenagers brain isn't fully developed - yet another reason why 16 year olds should not be entitled to vote.
Will he vote, or will you do it for him?My Dad has no clue where he is or what's going on. On the occasions he does recognise me he thinks I'm his brother, he's never had a bother. He's had his polling card and will be sent his postal vote form.
If you go down the route of assessing people's mental capacity to make the 'right' decision in a considered way you're opening a whole can of worms.
the main cause of the financial crisis was the us repeal of the glass-steagal laws that allowed us banks to mix sub prime directives and sell them to banks around the worldIf I can just come in here and just clear a few things up.
The cause of the global crash is not the concern here. Well, unless you had money in there, or had to bail out those who did.
Some would say more importantly, It's all about who had control of the UK economy and who did fuck all about it!
To give an analogy, it is like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted.
It’s plausible, the SNPs record in government (since 2007) is terrible! With no prospect of a 2nd referendum any time soon and a chance to kick the tories out, Labour will regain a lot of the central belt in Scotland.I always find these polls interesting - the Labour victory is not in question, I also think SNP will not drop that low.
The SNP have a lot of the same issues the Tories have in WestminsterIt’s plausible, the SNPs record in government (since 2007) is terrible! With no prospect of a 2nd referendum any time soon and a chance to kick the tories out, Labour will regain a lot of the central belt in Scotland.
The SNP have a lot of the same issues the Tories have in Westminster
Ah, so you're not big on democracy then. I'd say if you're old enough to die for your country, or work and pay tax to it, you're old enough to vote.
As for FPTP, I'd like to live in a country where every vote counts.
Just because your opinion is rigid, doesn't mean it's correct, of course. Similarly, being over-18, or even much, much, older, does not necessarily make one wise.
I won't do it for him because I don't think he should be voting when he has no fucking clue what day of the week it is. There's a pretty decent chance one of the carers or my mum will 'help' him fill it in and post it back.Will he vote, or will you do it for him?
I won't do it for him because I don't think he should be voting when he has no fucking clue what day of the week it is. There's a pretty decent chance one of the carers or my mum will 'help' him fill it in and post it back.
I postal vote. Only way I can be certain I'll get to use my vote as I can be sent away for work at very short notice and wouldn't be able to make it back.I also disagree with postal voting, 20% of votes being cast in this way doesn’t quite sit right with me. There’s also a reason it’s not allowed in Northern Ireland too.
Where are you getting postal voting is not allowed in Northern Ireland from?I also disagree with postal voting, 20% of votes being cast in this way doesn’t quite sit right with me. There’s also a reason it’s not allowed in Northern Ireland too.
You said if you are old enough to die for your country, you are old enough to vote. Under 18s need parental permission to sign up to the armed forces. If they can’t be trusted to make that decision, why entrust them with a vote. They can’t be sent to the front line below 18, so your argument is wrong. We don’t trust them at 16 in relation to the armed forces. Wrong again.
Under 18s have to remain in training e.g, apprenticeships. Most if not all at the apprentice Rate will barely exceed the tax threshold maybe paying £1 a month. Only about 25% of 16 year olds are in such schemes. Your qualifification seems to be payment of income tax. Presumably the 75% still in full time education shouldn't get the vote then. What about the unemployed by your logic.
The rational part of a teenagers brain isn't fully developed - yet another reason why 16 year olds should not be entitled to vote.
Duffer by name, Duffer by nature.
I also disagree with postal voting, 20% of votes being cast in this way doesn’t quite sit right with me. There’s also a reason it’s not allowed in Northern Ireland too.
Grow up mate, seriously, that's a really weak insult - do you think I've not heard it before? You're not very good at the cheap shots, so I'd give it a rest, it's just a bit... awkward. And at least I tried for a bit of fun and self-deprecation with my username, yours seems to reflect a certain lack of imagination... probably down to that rigidity of thought that you admit that you suffer from.
Regardless, when you sign up for the Army at sixteen, are you committing yourself to a role in the armed forces that may involve frontline service? (I'll help here, the answer is yes.) You seem to have forgotten that part of your argument, conveniently.
So let's move on to rationality. Actually, current science suggests that the brain doesn't fully mature until about age 25, so by your argument, we shouldn't allow people to vote until they're at least that old. No?
In fact, the whole 'too irrational to vote", holds no water at all unless you're proposing some kind of independent "rationality' test all citizens would have to pass in order to vote. Are you arguing for that?
I'm simply saying that 16-18 year olds should get the vote. I'm not dancing on the head of a pin about how much tax they pay, or even if they're in full time education or out of work. I'm just pointing out that they're clearly mature enough to work, and are expected to do so, and/or to continue to learn, and to contribute to society via taxation or otherwise. Not quite the same as school kids.
On that basis, there's no 'rational' reason to deny 16-18 year olds the vote, other than your obvious fear that they might vote for a party you don't like. Which is what you're really saying here, isn't it? Come on now, fess up old chap, you can't bluff a duffer.
On your revised argument, should 16 year olds be able to marry without parental permission, drive a car or a lorry, be regarded as an adult if arrested for a crime. Should child benefit and child maintenance stop at 16 as they are not children?
If it“s a question of maturity, then go the whole hog. It isn’t, it’s gerrymandering. If the majority of 16 year olds belonged to a right wing organisation - let’s say a Farage Youth - Labour would not be including this in their manifesto.
Exactly! Just what I've been banging on about.Yet you were OK with the tories gerrymandering by bringing in voter ID.
Where have I said that?Yet you were OK with the tories gerrymandering by bringing in voter ID.
On your revised argument, should 16 year olds be able to marry without parental permission, drive a car or a lorry, be regarded as an adult if arrested for a crime. Should child benefit and child maintenance stop at 16 as they are not children?
If it“s a question of maturity, then go the whole hog. It isn’t, it’s gerrymandering. If the majority of 16 year olds belonged to a right wing organisation - let’s say a Farage Youth - Labour would not be including this in their manifesto.
I guess that's the point.Where have I said that?
It doesn't quite 'sit right' with you? Is that entirely rational, it's just it sounds a lot like an emotional hot-take based on an incomplete understanding.
Are you 16-18 by any chance?
How do I get a postal vote in Northern Ireland?
The Electoral Office of Northern Ireland (EONI) must receive applications for absent voting by 17:00 BST on Friday.www.bbc.co.uk
Wasn’t it the independent electoral commission who was asking for voter ID for years?I guess that's the point.
Think his dog ate that page out of the A-level Politics revision guideIt doesn't quite 'sit right' with you? Is that entirely rational, it's just it sounds a lot like an emotional hot-take based on an incomplete understanding.
Are you 16-18 by any chance?
How do I get a postal vote in Northern Ireland?
The Electoral Office of Northern Ireland (EONI) must receive applications for absent voting by 17:00 BST on Friday.www.bbc.co.uk
Where have I said that?
Wasn’t it the independent electoral commission who was asking for voter ID for years?
Do you believe everything that Rees-Mogg says? Especially without considering the context in which he said it?
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