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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,186
MalcSB said:
I keep asking what evidence there is that Labour will be competent. Look at Wales.

Of course, no one has provided any evidence - because there is none.
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Add in the SNP in Scotland too. Present themselves as centre-left and their record is abysmal. They’ve introduced higher tax bands, rent controls and against North Sea exploration - all policies ending badly. Education and healthcare outcomes have got worse.

I hope Labour (or someone) wipe out the SNP in Scotland. Good riddance to them.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,187
Sick Boy said:
Im pretty sure that Gen Z is actually more to the right than many think. For example - It’s not just boomers, young people are voting far right too
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Zoomers are regen Boomers, I’m convinced of it.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,188
SkyBlueCharlie9 said:
I agree with 2nd part of that. I sense our Country is becoming more right wing, selfish, bitter and intolerant and social media fuelling it.
A bit of sensible boring politician with a vision is what we need as Tory infighting has been harming the country for 15 years and will take years to settle down until hard right are kicked out. Farage is ultimately desperate to be the Conservative & Unionist Party leader.
Hopefully KS is man to deliver hope to those in poverty/out of work/kids/families and elderly.
May, Boris, Truss, Rishi and Farage have been an utter disaster.
If not, one day Id love to test a coalition of Greens and Lib Dims with good leader in place.
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Personally, I believe that Starmer is 100% for being in the Customs Union and EU Single Market and believes that it would be the best for the country. He's abandoned that in order to further his own career and become PM and won't be the one to deliver actual change for the better.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,189
shmmeee said:
Zoomers are regen Boomers, I’m convinced of it.
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From my albeit limited dealings with them they're liberal but much more inclined to the right that our generation.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,190
Sick Boy said:
Personally, I believe that Starmer is 100% for being in the Customs Union and EU Single Market and believes that it would be the best for the country. He's abandoned that in order to further his own career and become PM and won't be the one to deliver actual change for the better.
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He’s made the decision not to stand on any live rails to get elected. No big spending. No overturning Brexit. These aren’t slam dunks these are the kinds of things that lose you an election. The idea deciding to get in and do what you can rather than stand on the side moaning for another five years is some kind of moral failing is ludicrous.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,191
Sick Boy said:
From my albeit limited dealings with them they're liberal but much more inclined to the right that our generation.
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I don’t meet as many as I used to and I have moved to Bedworth which may be contributing but I’m shocked at how conservative in terms of race gender and the like the ones I know through my 14 yo are.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,192
shmmeee said:
He’s made the decision not to stand on any live rails to get elected. No big spending. No overturning Brexit. These aren’t slam dunks these are the kinds of things that lose you an election. The idea deciding to get in and do what you can rather than stand on the side moaning for another five years is some kind of moral failing is ludicrous.
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The point is that it doesn't actually deliver any meaningful change and is a Labour government dancing to the tune of a Tory dominated media.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,193
Sick Boy said:
From my albeit limited dealings with them they're liberal but much more inclined to the right that our generation.
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Also this really doesn’t apply in the UK where the housing crisis and lack of culture war has made everyone under pension age more left wing than ever on average.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,194
shmmeee said:
I don’t meet as many as I used to and I have moved to Bedworth which may be contributing but I’m shocked at how conservative in terms of race gender and the like the ones I know through my 14 yo are.
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I was on about those who'd be mid 20s now but I can definitely imagine that's the case for those around that age bracket.
 

shmmeee

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,195
Sick Boy said:
The point is that it doesn't actually deliver any meaningful change and is a Labour government dancing to the tune of a Tory dominated media.
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Because he’s not got all your pet policies he’s the same as Sunak? It’s just nonsense I’m sorry. A child’s take.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,196
shmmeee said:
Also this really doesn’t apply in the UK where the housing crisis and lack of culture war has made everyone under pension age more left wing than ever on average.
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I presume that's a joke.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,197
shmmeee said:
Because he’s not got all your pet policies he’s the same as Sunak? It’s just nonsense I’m sorry. A child’s take.
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A bit ironic calling it a child's take and then making up me saying he's the same as Sunak - hahaha.

And for the record, I don't think the UK should be admitted back into the EU.
 

SomersetSB

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,198
Does anyone think if Corbyn was still leader of Labour they would have this 20 point + lead in the polls?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,199
It’sabatch87 said:
Does anyone think if Corbyn was still leader of Labour they would have this 20 point + lead in the polls?
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I wasn't a fan but no one predicted him cutting May's lead to the extent it was.
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,200
So Starmer just says what everyone wants to hear to get himself elected, we can't believe a word he says, and he goes back on every pledge he makes...

...But when he says something isn't going to change much or doesn't make some wildly optimistic pledge actually that's when we have to believe every single word he says and take that as gospel.


 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,201
It’sabatch87 said:
Does anyone think if Corbyn was still leader of Labour they would have this 20 point + lead in the polls?
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Left wing friends think it would be more
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,202
fernandopartridge said:
How can a sovereign currency issuer face a debt crisis
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A quick google search can answer this for you. You do know the UK was bailed out by the IMF in 1976 because we were on the verge of defaulting on our debts?

Let’s say we print more money, ok… that’ll lead to inflation, the BoE will then have to raise interest rates. From the ‘mini budget’, we found that a lot of mortgage payers can’t afford interest to go much higher than 7%. The BoE had to secure pensions by buying up government bonds to avoid that collapsing. To use the 70s as an example, inflation reached 25% and interest rates up to 17%. This would be Armageddon for the economy if we had a situation

Or, we increase taxes exponentially and watch all the highest taxpayers leave the country. Millionaires are already abandoning this country and that’s set to only get worse under a Labour government.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,203
Ian1779 said:
When Greenpeace activists come to see Starmer in 2024….

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Isn’t he referring to extinction rebellion there when they superglue themselves to the road?

He defended the Greenpiece activists under freedom of speech laws regarding leaflets they were handing out regarding the practices of McDonalds. Not sure it’s the same thing.

Either way the point stands. You’d be hard pressed to find anyone on the right who’d take on a 10 year pro bono case to defend freedom of speech.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,204

Day 5: The Environment​

Click here to listen to an audio recording of this reflection.​
Genesis 2.15

'The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it and keep it.’
The Garden of Eden we encounter in the Book of Genesis is a symbol for the whole natural world. Humankind is entrusted here with the care and tending of the earth. The Hebrew word ‘till’ is the normal Hebrew word to serve. The word translated ‘keep’ means to guard or to watch over. The first person in creation is given a solemn charge to serve and watch over the earth.

This is a sobering call as we approach an election. We are in the midst of a climate crisis caused by our own species. The effects of global warming are all around us, affecting most of all those who have least. The world faces an ecological disaster.

In these days of preparation, let us pray fervently for our own government and the leaders of the world, that they may set the wellbeing of the earth and of nature at the heart of public policy.
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Give us the wisdom and the will
to use the resources of the earth to your glory
and for the good of all creation.
Hear us, good Lord.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,205
This thread is getting surreal now as well!
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,206
shmmeee said:
1997-2010
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For the sake of the country, I hope Starmer is as competent as Blair… that’s just a very optimistic take.

New Labour also inherited a low tax burden which this prospective Labour government will not have the luxury to raise taxes to improve public services as Blair and Brown did.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,207
Mucca Mad Boys said:
For the sake of the country, I hope Starmer is as competent as Blair… that’s just a very optimistic take.

New Labour also inherited a low tax burden which this prospective Labour government will not have the luxury to raise taxes to improve public services as Blair and Brown did.
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Or the growth they had
 

torchomatic

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,208
Sick Boy said:
I wasn't a fan but no one predicted him cutting May's lead to the extent it was.
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He still lost in 2017 and by standing in 2019 ensured we had another five years of the Tories. Him "nearly winning" didn't help anyone.
 
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Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,209
Sky Blue Pete said:
Or the growth they had
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Exactly, high tax economies generate poor growth. The economy also wasn’t addicted to quantitive easing back in the 90s and early 00s.
 

Sick Boy

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,210
torchomatic said:
He still lost in 2017 and by standing in 2019 ensured we had another five years of the Tories. Him "nearly winning" didn't help anyone.
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I sincerely hope Starmer delivers the change some seem to think he will do but let’s not pretend he’s getting in for any other reason that the Tories being a disgrace.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,211
Sick Boy said:
I wasn't a fan but no one predicted him cutting May's lead to the extent it was.
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May runs the worst campaign in decades and it’s Corbyn cutting her lead, Sunak does the same and it’s the Tories throwing it away and nothing to do with Starmer.

It’s such a ridiculous meme. Starmers approval now is higher than Corbyns ever was, higher than May and around on par with Johnson in 2019. By any measure he’s a relatively popular politician and on course to win a landslide.

The fact this is true while everyone on social media claims the opposite should give you pause for thought.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,212
PVA said:
The last few seconds of that clip perfectly encapsulates grifters like Farage and Co.

They just spout stuff that sounds great to boomers, but with absolutely no substance or truth behind it because there simply doesn't need to be, it's obviously never going to be implemented.

A bit like the Tory manifesto I guess - national service etc.
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Also like the Labour manifesto and the £38 billion black hole.

All parties other than the main two can say what they want - are the Greens grifters?
 

Ian1779

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,213
skybluetony176 said:
Isn’t he referring to extinction rebellion there when they superglue themselves to the road?

He defended the Greenpiece activists under freedom of speech laws regarding leaflets they were handing out regarding the practices of McDonalds. Not sure it’s the same thing.

Either way the point stands. You’d be hard pressed to find anyone on the right who’d take on a 10 year pro bono case to defend freedom of speech.
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I mean it’s a tongue in cheek comment, but really it’s more that Starmer has changed his opinion on lots of things in the last 4 years. I think there is a piece of video out there saying he supported the actions of activists like Just Stop Oil or Extinction Rebellion before he was leader of the Labour Party.
It’s almost as if the sniff of power has created somewhat of an inverted Damascus moment
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,214
shmmeee said:
May runs the worst campaign in decades and it’s Corbyn cutting her lead, Sunak does the same and it’s the Tories throwing it away and nothing to do with Starmer.

It’s such a ridiculous meme. Starmers approval now is higher than Corbyns ever was, higher than May and around on par with Johnson in 2019. By any measure he’s a relatively popular politician and on course to win a landslide.

The fact this is true while everyone on social media claims the opposite should give you pause for thought.
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I don’t think Starmer is particularly popular, there isn’t that much enthusiasm for him. The alternative is Rishi, who is a multi-millionaire married to a billionaire heiress running to be PM in an election that is dominated by the Cost of Living. Not only that, it’s been 14 years of government, with no real achievements to speak of and failed on most policy objectives they’ve set. People are fed up with the Tories and of course Starmer is the chief beneficiary.

When he’s in government and nothing substantial changes, my instinct is that his popularity will plummet.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,215
skybluetony176 said:
I was reminded recently that Starmer represented 2 green piece activists pro bono in what was apparently known as the longest libel case in British history (some 10 years) against McDonalds. Quite a famous case known as McLibel.

Sorry but if you think someone who would do that is anything like pretty much any politician on the right I think you’re deluded. Most politicians on the right would have been cheering on the corporation against the woke lefties, while giving them tax breaks funded by the plebs.
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lol he toadied up to the US and was furious that May overturned the deportation of Gary McKinnon
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,216
Very liberal

No charges for MI5 officer accused over Binyam Mohamed - BBC News

There is insufficient evidence to prosecute an MI5 officer accused of complicity in the mistreatment of Binyam Mohamed, the CPS says.
www.bbc.co.uk
 
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PVA

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,217
Grendel said:
Also like the Labour manifesto and the £38 billion black hole.
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Rishi, is that you?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,218
PVA said:
Rishi, is that you?
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No I’m the IFS - they said both main parties are being dishonest in their manifesto
 

SomersetSB

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,219
Sick Boy said:
I wasn't a fan but no one predicted him cutting May's lead to the extent it was.
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I’d think we’d be looking at a hung parliament
 

SomersetSB

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  • Jun 18, 2024
  • #38,220
Sky Blue Pete said:
Left wing friends think it would be more
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Hung parliament territory I think
 
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