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PVA

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,871
They can't help themselves can they.

Hopefully Labour can/will block this shite.


 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,872
PVA said:
They can't help themselves can they.

Hopefully Labour can/will block this shite.


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They'll probably replace him with Peter Mandleson.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,873
PVA said:
They can't help themselves can they.

Hopefully Labour can/will block this shite.


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They will do exactly the same - they always have indulged in cronyism
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,874
shmmeee said:
Carbon tax is a good idea.
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Aren’t carbon sources already heavily taxed? Doubly so with tax on a tax in the case of motor fuels.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,875
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Yep, them too. Though obviously if it's been used as a graveyard then that would need special consideration.
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But they are only old bones.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,876
CCFCSteve said:
This is still a great country. From london, to cornwall/Devon to the lakes. As a nation we spend a lot of time talking it down because of frustration with politics, weather etc and take so much for granted, but we’re lucky to have been born here
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Well, Cornwall, Devon and the Lakes haven’t been concreted over yet.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,877
I got:

- Green
- Lib Dem
- Labour
- Tories
- Reform
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,878
5story high density housing for you @ Shmmeee
By the Clyde.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,879
I see Labour have said they have no intention of applying CGT to primary residences. Time will tell of course. How about another Labour tax raid on private pensions? Good idea?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,880
MalcSB said:
5story high density housing for you @ Shmmeee
By the Clyde.
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tbf, what shmmeee's asking for is tougher planning laws and regulations before building anything I'd expect...
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,881
MalcSB said:
I see Labour have said they have no intention of applying CGT to primary residences. Time will tell of course. How about another Labour tax raid on private pensions? Good idea?
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This is why labour need a clear vision of what they want to be and what they want yo achieve as they are being pulled by both sides
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,882
Sky Blue Pete said:
This is why labour need a clear vision of what they want to be and what they want yo achieve as they are being pulled by both sides
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So their manifesto doesn’t give a clear vision and neither does the party? Why vote for then then?
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,883
Sick Boy said:
I got:

- Green
- Lib Dem
- Labour
- Tories
- Reform
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Same here.

I know you're in Italy but it's really annoying how obsessed the BBC is with Farage, yet they ignore the Greens at a time when climate change is our biggest challenge, and certainly not immigration.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,884
MalcSB said:
So their manifesto doesn’t give a clear vision and neither does the party? Why vote for then then?
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Not Tory
Not reform
Only viable party
 
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Deleted member 9744

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,885
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not Tory
Not reform
Only viable party
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By viable you mean only one likely to win I take it?
 
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Ashdown

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,886
Deleted member 9744 said:
Same here.

I know you're in Italy but it's really annoying how obsessed the BBC is with Farage, yet they ignore the Greens at a time when climate change is our biggest challenge, and certainly not immigration.
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Some might say they both go hand in hand ?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,887
I'm pretty sure that I voted TUSC in the last election I was there for, actually.
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,888
MalcSB said:
So their manifesto doesn’t give a clear vision and neither does the party? Why vote for then then?
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Does any party? How many people do you think actually spend time looking at policy and reading manifestos before deciding who to vote for?

We elected the last government based on them repeatedly saying 'get Brexit done'!
 
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MalcSB

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,889
chiefdave said:
Does any party? How many people do you think actually spend time looking at policy and reading manifestos before deciding who to vote for?

We elected the last government based on them repeatedly saying 'get Brexit done'!
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At least that was a clear vision.
 
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MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,890
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not Tory
Not reform
Only viable party
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Good to know that it is for good, solid, logical reasons.
 
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torchomatic

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,891
PVA said:
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Split the right-wing vote. Lovely.
 

torchomatic

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,892
Ashdown said:
And that is what the loony lefties always resort to. Very childish for a teacher.
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"Looney lefties". LOL.
 

shmmeee

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,893
MalcSB said:
I see Labour have said they have no intention of applying CGT to primary residences. Time will tell of course. How about another Labour tax raid on private pensions? Good idea?
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There was never any chance of it. It was a random rumour made up by the Tories.

Most wealth in this country is housing or pensions so if people want a wealth tax that’s probably where it would fall. It’s not like we’ve got people sat about with stacks of gold coins under their bed.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,894
Ashdown said:
Many of these transport issues could be alleviated by not taking another 600,000 people every year. Someone mentioned, we’ve not reached our ‘peak’ but what is our peak ? 80 million, 100 million ? We are becoming a nation of housing estates without any accompanying services.
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Could do 100m+ no worries. And you wouldn’t even notice it outside of about five cities, which would all be better off for it.

Like the fucking Amish this. “Oh no this specific point in time is actually the peak of our civilisation. Only down from here” absolute waffle.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,895
shmmeee said:
Like the fucking Amish this.
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Haha!!
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,896
Deleted member 9744 said:
By viable you mean only one likely to win I take it?
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Have the numbers and experience and maturity or make a go of it

yes

if love Ed davey and Lib Dem’s to make some inroads a grown up who cares for others and desires a fairer society but no we jump on the bandwagon of a snake oil charmer
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,897
shmmeee said:
Could do 100m+ no worries. And you wouldn’t even notice it outside of about five cities, which would all be better off for it.

Like the fucking Amish this. “Oh no this specific point in time is actually the peak of our civilisation. Only down from here” absolute waffle.
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It’s nothing like the Amish.

Another 50%? Over what time period? That would result in the UK having about the highest population density in Europe.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,898
Sky Blue Pete said:
Have the numbers and experience and maturity or make a go of it

yes

if love Ed davey and Lib Dem’s to make some inroads a grown up who cares for others and desires a fairer society but no we jump on the bandwagon of a snake oil charmer
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Snake oil charmer Starmer?
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,899
shmmeee said:
There was never any chance of it. It was a random rumour made up by the Tories.

Most wealth in this country is housing or pensions so if people want a wealth tax that’s probably where it would fall. It’s not like we’ve got people sat about with stacks of gold coins under their bed.
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So another raid on pensions is acceptable to you?
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,900
If people aren't happy with immigration now have they spared a thought as to what is going to happen when more and more of the planet becomes uninhabitable due to climate change?
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,901
chiefdave said:
If people aren't happy with immigration now have they spared a thought as to what is going to happen when more and more of the planet becomes uninhabitable due to climate change?
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As a rough rule of thumb those most concerned with immigration also tend to delve into climate change denial. See any reform party spokesperson as an example. So you’re talking about a scenario that they don’t believe in. To them it’s just all project fear, we’ve had enough of experts etc.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,902
MalcSB said:
Snake oil charmer Starmer?
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No nf
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,903
MalcSB said:
Successive governments have utterly failed the country, I’m not sure rail links are the best yardstick though.
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There’s the not so minor difference that the UK is an island and does not share a customs border with any of its neighbours. So comparison with EU countries is flawed from the get go.

The railway infrastructure is a mess though. Outsourcing rather than out and out privatising/nationalising the railway has led to worst of both worlds. The private company who runs the government contract has no competition, is usually picked on costing the least so the service and cost we get is poor.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,904
Sky Blue Pete said:
No nf
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Starmer is a snake oil salesman. He changes what he says, flips, flops and u turns to suit the particular audience of the time. Makes outrageous claims without a shred of evidence to back them up.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 15, 2024
  • #37,905
MalcSB said:
Starmer is a snake oil salesman. He changes what he says, flips, flops and u turns to suit the particular audience of the time. Makes outrageous claims without a shred of evidence to back them up.
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Such as?
 
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